Captain America vs Superman

So how fast is freeze breath? Let's put it like this, Flash and Super was running 2000 mps and Superman heat vision couldn't touch Flash at this speed. Is Superman heat vision slower than his ice breath?

Fast enough to work when needed. That is to say, it isn't a limiting factor.

Superman himself says it takes two seconds to freeze this giant building sized....building (I THINK it was the Burj Khalifa, sonearly 1km tall.....a good size):
https://m.imgur.com/A5os6b9

And as we all know, it takes longer to freeze large amounts vs small amounts. Imagine freezing a jug of water vs a shot glass, lol.

So if it takes 2 seconds to freeze that, I'd say...a hundredth of thar to freeze a human sized thing? A thousandth of a second?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fast enough to work when needed. That is to say, it isn't a limiting factor.

Superman himself says it takes two seconds to freeze this giant building sized....building (I THINK it was the Burj Khalifa, sonearly 1km tall.....a good size):
https://m.imgur.com/A5os6b9

And as we all know, it takes longer to freeze large amounts vs small amounts. Imagine freezing a jug of water vs a shot glass, lol.

So if it takes 2 seconds to freeze that, I'd say...a hundredth of thar to freeze a human sized thing? A thousandth of a second?

How fast would it have taken a character that is light speed to pull that ft off? Remember, you said a second is like an eternity, so him saying it takes seconds to do this is an eternity to Cap, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fast enough to work when needed. That is to say, it isn't a limiting factor.

Superman himself says it takes two seconds to freeze this giant building sized....building (I THINK it was the Burj Khalifa, sonearly 1km tall.....a good size):
https://m.imgur.com/A5os6b9

And as we all know, it takes longer to freeze large amounts vs small amounts. Imagine freezing a jug of water vs a shot glass, lol.

So if it takes 2 seconds to freeze that, I'd say...a hundredth of thar to freeze a human sized thing? A thousandth of a second?

I'm not gonna go all 'Byond' w. this, but the above is my take on the matter.

Originally posted by carver9
How fast would it have taken a character that is light speed to pull that ft off? Remember, you said a second is like an eternity, so him saying it takes seconds to do this is an eternity to Cap, right?

You misunderstand me as always 🙁

I'm saying it took two seconds to freeze that entire area. It's massive. Burj Khalifa is like 0.5 miles long. The sheer volume that he froze there is staggering.

Let's assume a human sized object is like a thousandth of that (which is low-balling massively - a thousand people won't make that much lol).

So two seconds to freeze that amount. To freeze a Cap sized amount? A thousandth. Maybe even hundredth of a thousandth of a second.

But crucially, Superman can activate the attack BEFORE Cap can dodge (Cap doesn't have precog). And since they are equal in speed, if Cap does somehow dodge, Supes can equally change direction (because he can equally react at the same speed Cap can).

So yeah, even with Supes level reactions, he can't dodge that.

Originally posted by riv6672
Respectfully, this isnt coming diwn to speed, as Supes isnt the Flash. Freeze breath is fine and all (ranged attack yes, but Cap's Shield is a ranged attack as well), but its also not something he does all the time.
Something Cap does all the time, though, is hang and beat ppl WAY outside, ASTRONOMICALLY outside his weight class.
Putting him and Supes in the same weight class is giving Cap all the advantage here.

I'm not gonna go all 'Byond' w. this, but the above is my take on the matter.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You misunderstand me as always 🙁

I'm saying it took two seconds to freeze that entire area. It's massive. Burj Khalifa is like 0.5 miles long. The sheer volume that he froze there is staggering.

Let's assume a human sized object is like a thousandth of that (which is low-balling massively - a thousand people won't make that much lol).

So two seconds to freeze that amount. To freeze a Cap sized amount? A thousandth. Maybe even hundredth of a thousandth of a second.

But crucially, Superman can activate the attack BEFORE Cap can dodge (Cap doesn't have precog). And since they are equal in speed, if Cap does somehow dodge, Supes can equally change direction (because he can equally react at the same speed Cap can).

So yeah, even with Supes level reactions, he can't dodge that.

So is he using this close up or from a distance?

Originally posted by carver9
Flash and Super was running 2000 mps and Superman heat vision couldn't touch Flash at this speed.

Either. I know you're going to argue he does it from 500m away, therefore it would also take that 2 seconds...but the problem is I was low-balling massively there, as he was a distance away.

Whereas I assumed he was right up next to it, pressing his lips to it. If we assume he was even ten or twenty metres away, that affects things.

IOW, the whole point of this is to show your scan of Grayson saying it takes 4 seconds is wrong.

Freeze breath and HV would be nothing to cap with supermans strength and speed plus his shield. What's stopping cap from cutting supes head, arms, legs or cutting him in half with the shield? Cap would break out of ice and kill superman.

Originally posted by JBL
Freeze breath and HV would be nothing to cap with supermans strength and speed plus his shield. What's stopping cap from cutting supes head, arms, legs or cutting him in half with the shield? Cap would break out of ice and kill superman.

It's been fast and strong enough to hold WW.

Unless of course you think Supes is stronger/faster than WW. In which case, OK.

Does Cap know about freeze breath? I mean why would he run away from Clark exhaling? I don't think Cap would even try to dodge it w/o prior knowledge. Heat vision is a different story imo.

Every fight comes with basic knowledge of said character. He will know.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's been fast and strong enough to hold WW.

Unless of course you think Supes is stronger/faster than WW. In which case, OK.

It didn't hold her though, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
It didn't hold her though, lol.

Not even for a milisecond? You'd have to prove that, lol.

Carver, I'll save you the trouble because I know you'll just try and post the next scan and say she disappeared.

Fact is, you can see her hair frozen in mid air. She's stopped mid sentence. So she was held, even if just for a fraction of a second.

If Superman is smart, he keeps a wide distance away and uses AOE freeze breath & heat vision. Captain America's shield can't block from all sides, and Superman dies immediately and horribly if he tries to fight physically. No amount of wanking Superman's fighting skills will stop the bloody rape that he would experience if he attempts to CQC Steve at equal stats, so Superman must stick to his guns.

Originally posted by juggerman
Does Cap know about freeze breath? I mean why would he run away from Clark exhaling? I don't think Cap would even try to dodge it w/o prior knowledge. Heat vision is a different story imo.

Characters have knowledge of their opponents unless otherwise specified.

Yeah. He'll know what Supey has/can do. Maybe not the exact levels, but def that he has it.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
If Superman is smart, he keeps a wide distance away and uses AOE freeze breath & heat vision. Captain America's shield can't block from all sides, and Superman dies immediately and horribly if he tries to fight physically. No amount of wanking Superman's fighting skills will stop the bloody rape that he would experience if he attempts to CQC Steve at equal stats, so Superman must stick to his guns.

A wide distance wouldn't be too safe the way Cap tosses his shield, especially doing so with that amount of strength.