Originally posted by McP
In EU/Legends Vader's, I'll call it a "neutral TK showings" are superior to Dooku's, indeed. But Dooku's TK showings vs other Force users are also far superior to Vader's, who, in fact, was never able to overhelm at least a decent enemy with his Force TK as I remember.
Also these two quotes put Vader as the second most powerful being in the galaxy, after the Emperor:
Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, has instilled terror throughout the galaxy since the beginning of the Empire. His devotion to the Emperor and mastery of the dark side gives him more power than any single individual in the galaxy except for the Emperor himself.
-- Shadows Of The Empire: Prince Xizor vs. Darth Vader Action Figure (Kenner)
In his distinctive black armor, Vader is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor himself.
-- Insider 65
So this nonsense about Ben Kenobi being > Vader needs to stop. (And it's not referring to political power, as Tarkin has been established as the second in command)
Originally posted by One Big MobOr he stalked me to my Ohio abode knowing full well I was set to jog soon knowing I would be busy. This kind of cowardice deserves a ruthless response I am set to give. Do not grieve for him after my post ends his reckless life.
You seen his post and you decided to literally run away in real life?No one can handle the deathslash. He's only at breaktheskinslash levels too.
Originally posted by xPRIMExFixed
Also these two quotes put Vader as the second most powerful being in the galaxy, after the Emperor:Dark Vader, Darth Lord of the Sith, has instilled terror throughout the galaxy since the beginning of the Empire. His devotion to the Emperor and mastery of the darth side gives him more power than any single individual in the galaxy except for the Emperor himself.
-- Shadows Of The Empire: Prince Xizor vs. Dark Vader Action Figure (Kenner)In his distinctive black armor, Vader is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor himself.
-- Insider 65So this nonsense about Ben Kenobi being > Vader needs to stop. (And it's not referring to political power, as Darkin has been established as the second in command)
Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Also these two quotes put Vader as the second most powerful being in the galaxy, after the Emperor:Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, has instilled terror throughout the galaxy since the beginning of the Empire. His devotion to the Emperor and mastery of the dark side gives him more power than any single individual in the galaxy except for the Emperor himself.
-- Shadows Of The Empire: Prince Xizor vs. Darth Vader Action Figure (Kenner)In his distinctive black armor, Vader is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor himself.
-- Insider 65So this nonsense about Ben Kenobi being > Vader needs to stop. (And it's not referring to political power, as Tarkin has been established as the second in command)
Many sources tout Vader, not Tarkin, as politically second-in-command, so that argument seems baseless.
More importantly, the first quote is after Ben Kenobi dies, although you'll have to prove when the first is dated.
Originally posted by deathslash1. He came out on top at the peak of his physical apex. That is an entirely different matter than Darth Vader the burnt husk confined in a suit we see post Kenobi defeat.
I know that the vast majority of what you say is pure trolling, but for anyone that's actually wondering, I'll say this:1. RotS Anakin beat the brakes off of Dooku when he began raging out.
2. Vader has no problem with letting his rage fuel him and has way more experience.[/B]
Why is he not? Vader was a shell of his former self and was shown extremely vulnerable to fl. Dooku was subservient to Sidious and did not actecky fight back. If you let someone cut your throat that does not mean they could accomplish the same result if you were actively opposed in combat.3. Dooku isn't taking a force fight. He just isn't. Dooku got choked out by Sheev while Vader managed to actually ragdoll the old man. That's just one of many superior force feats/comparisons. Once we get into statements of power, it becomes clear that Vader is superior.
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You are free to believe Vader solos the Star Wars universe for all I care but it is proof of your inherent bias more than an accurate indictator of anything even resembling objectivity.
Unproven. Lucas intended for the Jedi and Sith in the Ot to be well behind their primes especially if we are discussing physically. Now I am not saying Dooku was spry but he was a lot more impressive than Vader who failed to gain an advantage on a much older Kenobi.
4. In an all out fight, Vader has superior force power, actual armor, and comparable skill back up by superior force augmentations. [/B]
Vader is a lot slower, less maneuverable, and the armor makes him more of a liability due to the fact a lightsaber can cut through it like flesh just as easily. His skill was not enough to even properly lambaste an inexperienced, and brash Esb Skywalker. He took a shoulder graze by someone who should have never touched him at that point in his life.
Sorry but the Ot was not the prime era of Jedi or Sith. Vader was far more dangerous in rots in a combat situation than the Frankensteins monster we see at the end of the film.
The only thing that Anakin has on Vader is he might have an edge in sabers.... but in terms of force power and knowledge.... smSo many quotes to support Vader > Anakin.
When Obi-Wan Kenobi duels his former apprentice Darth Vader on the Death Star, both combatants know that they are but shadows of their former selves.
-- insider
Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful.
-- Beware The Sith (book, 2012)
This duel was very different from their last. Obi-Wan was older and weaker while Vader was even stronger, fueled by hatred and thirst for revenge.
-- Jedi Battles
“This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting. If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist. But if you cut me down, I will only become more powerful. Heed my words.”
-- A New Hope Novel
Vader survived, but not unscarred-his shattered body encased in life-supporting armor and a breath mask. In spite of these handicaps, Vader thrived. in fact, he found a way to turn these to his advantage. He had his breath mask crafted into a sinister black helmet and, donning a black cloak over his black armor, he became a figure out of nightmare. From the ashes of defeat, Vader emerged even stronger.
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--_Lightsaber Dueling Pack: Darth Vader (role playing picture book game, 1988)
The only thing that Anakin has on Vader is he might have an edge in sabers.... but in terms of force power and knowledge.... smSo many quotes to support Vader > Anakin.
When Obi-Wan Kenobi duels his former apprentice Darth Vader on the Death Star, both combatants know that they are but shadows of their former selves.
-- insider
Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful.
-- Beware The Sith (book, 2012)
This duel was very different from their last. Obi-Wan was older and weaker while Vader was even stronger, fueled by hatred and thirst for revenge.
-- Jedi Battles
“This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting. If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist. But if you cut me down, I will only become more powerful. Heed my words.”
-- A New Hope Novel
Vader survived, but not unscarred-his shattered body encased in life-supporting armor and a breath mask. In spite of these handicaps, Vader thrived. in fact, he found a way to turn these to his advantage. He had his breath mask crafted into a sinister black helmet and, donning a black cloak over his black armor, he became a figure out of nightmare. From the ashes of defeat, Vader emerged even stronger.
--_Lightsaber Dueling Pack: Darth Vader (role playing picture book game, 1988)