Scarlet Witch vs Supergirl

Started by Baziemarc12322 pages

Originally posted by One Big Mob
The way he worded it at the start is not something comic writers or artists would understand.

You'd be hard pressed to find any punches thrown with good technique in comics because writers don't understand the first ****ing thing about it. Then you take a look at the writers to further back that up. You think Mark Waid has ever even punched the air? You think he haymakers the air when he finds his wife in bed with 3 black men? No, he grabs a chair and sits backwards like an 80s cool guy.

You're trying to apply something to a medium filled with people that lack any understanding of it. You have to understand that although they can write, these writers are ****ing stupid at most things in the world. Same goes for science, same goes for fighting, same goes for white men. They know how to write a story, they don't know how things actually work.

There is only a few characters in comics who don't benefit from raw strength in their punches - Ben Grimm for example. Now, that's not to say lifting and punching is 1 to 1 as again, writers don't even know how to apply that, but it doesn't hurt, nor is it an entirely seperated concept like your link would leave us to believe.

If you showed your link to Jason Aaron do you think he could then explain to you how properly punching works? Doubtful. It's doubtful he could even apply it to himself, let alone turn around and explain the concept to his diverse audience in a comic.

Sometimes the things in our world and how they work just can't be the rule in comics. You can apply things of course, but you can't just rule everything out because no, this is the way it works to me. Superman might not be able to punch at universe lifting capabilities, but he's still going to hit pretty ****ing hard because of it.

Why wouldn’t it apply to Superman?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Why wouldn’t it apply to Superman?
Because Superman has never thrown a punch with good form in his life and has some of the best striking feats in comics.

Strength either factors into his punching power or he hits so hard mutually exclusive to lifting that it doesn't matter at all pointing it out.

Plus comic writers are limp wristed homos that would shatter their wrists if they ever landed a punch on a pillow. They don't know how to punch. I just went over this.

It's true. Look at the number of times Superman throws double handed Kirk style hammer punches

Now think back to the times you've seen this in a boxing match. Or any fight, really.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's true. Look at the number of times Superman throws double handed Kirk style hammer punches

Now think back to the times you've seen this in a boxing match. Or any fight, really.

The uppercut where the arm goes behind the head is a good one too. He's obvious trying to punch hard, but I mean...

Asking writers to follow that would be like asking baziemarcus to write Superman. He'd stop trying to write Superman and just write what he knows. Superman would quit the DP and start modding Comicvine while he goes out and fights his biggest enemies like Darksides, Troublesday, Commandant Zed, and then he goes home to spoon with his biracial boyfriend Louis Shane.

Yes the poison is a durability feat. I pointed that out earlier. How much poison is he taking? Hell if I know. I'd need to research antisunlight to find out. Also if I wrote Superman you’d thank me

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Yes the poison is a durability feat. I pointed that out earlier. How much poison is he taking? Hell if I know. I'd need to research antisunlight to find out. Also if I wrote Superman you’d thank me

Lol.

I'll help you. It's 2.5 million supernovas worth.

My favorite catchphrase is:

"The madder Hulk gets, the more his punching power stays the same"

It's simple logic. Lifting is pushing motion

Punching is a snapping motion. Where F = M*A

If the comics themselves don't show them as similar for Superman, then I'm not just going to assume it's the same. No need for speculations

You find his greatest lifting feat and greatest striking feat, and I'll gladly compare the two and see if it's the same

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

I'll help you. It's 2.5 million supernovas worth.

that doesn't tell us the antisunlight poison dosage. How much poison is contained within one supernova?

Would it equate to 100 grams of poison per square meter?

1000?

Half a million?

Etc

Simply saying "2.5 million supernovas worth" isn't an answer

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
that doesn't tell us the antisunlight poison dosage. How much poison is contained within one supernova?

Would it equate to 100 grams of poison per square meter?

1000?

Half a million?

Etc

Simply saying "2.5 million supernovas worth" isn't an answer

As it's pure poison, every single joule of anti sunlight is poison to him.

It's not poison in terms of mass. It's poison in terms of energy.

Which you have already calculated.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
It's simple logic. Lifting is pushing motion

Punching is a snapping motion. Where F = M*A

If the comics themselves don't show them as similar for Superman, then I'm not just going to assume it's the same. No need for speculations

You find his greatest lifting feat and greatest striking feat, and I'll gladly compare the two and see if it's the same

Why would you post a link that went against Force = Mass sex Acceleration?

Punching power IS NOT F=MA ( force = mass x acceleration )

I laughed when I saw all the references to the basic velocity equation in disagreeing comments from the first guide. Here’s what many people said,

_“BUT JOHNNY, YOU’RE WRONG! Force equals mass times acceleration!_More muscle equals more mass times more acceleration equals more power! You failed!”

No I didn’t. Yes, the equation is correct. But it’s application to the physics of punching motion is not that cut and dry. Comparing the complicated mechanics of punching to a simple linear physics equation is a failure.

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F = MA is assuming a linear vector movement

How is this equation relevant to punching?…I see only one object and one force at work here!_

Does the MASS refer to the weight of the fist or the weight of the body?Does the ACCELERATION refer to the acceleration of the fist or the acceleration of the hips?If we’re talking about hip rotation, wouldn’t it be circular acceleration (aka linear tangential acceleration) instead of linear acceleration?Does the FORCE refer to the force transferred through the fist? Or the force generated through the body?Is a punch a series of combined forces or just one force?What if there’s a curve in the motion of the fist?What if there are gravitational forces or other external forces affecting the resulting force?

WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT PUNCHING MOVEMENT is nothing at all like a straight linear movement?!_If punching was only a combination of pushing motions, then why isn’t the best punching position me crouched up like a sprinter and then springing forward out of the blocks? (I’m kidding here.)

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A punch requires multiple accelerations
of different masses
working together simultaneously.

A punch requires several forces to accelerate and decelerate from different areas simultaneously.

The force equation for a simple linear acceleration is F=MA.The force equation for punching is WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.

I calculated the joules, not the poison dosage, because antisunlight doesn't exist. However anti matter is a different approach

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Why would you post a link that went against Force = Mass sex Acceleration?
I thought I posted 2? The other one explains it better

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
I calculated the joules, not the poison dosage, because antisunlight doesn't exist. However anti matter is a different approach

Imagine it's sunlight. You know, the thing that gives Superman energy.

But instead of that...it's the anti version. The reverse.

So instead of strengthening him with all those joules of energy, it's actually harming him.

Try that.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
@abhi where’s the proof in the comics that lifting equals striking?

Read any hulk comic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Read any hulk comic.
Hulk doesn’t hit as hard as he lift

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
It's simple logic. Lifting is pushing motion

Punching is a snapping motion. Where F = M*A

If the comics themselves don't show them as similar for Superman, then I'm not just going to assume it's the same. No need for speculations

You find his greatest lifting feat and greatest striking feat, and I'll gladly compare the two and see if it's the same


Why would that work when different writers have different styles of writing and have written pretty wild power levels over the years?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Hulk doesn’t hit as hard as he lift

As he gets stronger, he hits harder. Right?

How does that work when you think strength doesn't dictates striking power?

Btw only arguably good from supes is him beating lobo and lar grand 2v1 but unfortunately that was when lar grand didn’t have too many good feats when it happened in Superman annual

He has far better feats which are already shown.
Also he had ripped the white dwarf star two years ago.
So what do you think? Superman has any chance against Thor, eh your majesty?

Or is Thor still "stronger" than Superman based on nothing which you failed to post?