Originally posted by carver9
Before getting blitzed and comboed to ko? I highly disagree. Anyways, that is a topic that doesn't need to be discussed here.
Comboed? Frieza would never even hit him. Thanos would place him in a force prison take over his mind and kill him. DBZ is funny that way. Most of the characters have huge weaknesses to exploit by certain characters. Thanos is one of those characters. Anyway let's not derail the thread.
Average force is directly proportion to average acceleration. Therefore, under a constant (or average) net force, force is directly proportional to the square of velocity.
So linear ratios don't work.
Basically it should go like this
F1= k*V1^2
F2= k*V2^2
Divide the equations to get
(V1/V2) ^2 = F1/F2
Or V1 = V2*sqrt(F1/F2)
So the estimates of velocity should be actually LESS than what is given.
If we assume relativity then although the velocity wouldn't get higher than light speed the mass would increase where it would compensate for the velocity loss. So the kinetic energy assuming relativity would be the same as not assuming it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Average force is directly proportion to average acceleration. Therefore, under a constant (or average) net force, force is directly proportional to the square of velocity.So linear ratios don't work.
Basically it should go like this
F1= k*V1^2
F2= k*V2^2Divide the equations to get
(V1/V2) ^2 = F1/F2
Or V1 = V2*sqrt(F1/F2)So the estimates of velocity should be actually LESS than what is given.
If we assume relativity then although the velocity wouldn't get higher than light speed the mass would increase where it would compensate for the velocity loss. So the kinetic energy assuming relativity would be the same as not assuming it.
In layman's terms?
Originally posted by Stoic
Comboed? Frieza would never even hit him. Thanos would place him in a force prison take over his mind and kill him. DBZ is funny that way. Most of the characters have huge weaknesses to exploit by certain characters. Thanos is one of those characters. Anyway let's not derail the thread.
See what I deal with in Anime/Manga?
Calling him Batshit insane is being kind..
Originally posted by cdtm
See what I deal with in Anime/Manga?Calling him Batshit insane is being kind..
Hey, about the ass eating thing. It had two things attached to it.
1. LOB and those El's, or however you'd like to spell it... lol. Don't listen to that heathen.
2. All characters have their moments of failure, even the ones that have yet to fail.
Oh, and yeah, Anime belongs with Anime. Tenchi rules.
Originally posted by Stoic
In layman's terms?
Just multiply by the square root of the ratio of strengths to obtain the new velocity.
Also
If relativity is not taken into account then the velocity would still be significantly over the speed of light.
If relativity is taken into account then the mass would increase to even more absurd amounts but the velocity would stay below light speed.
Personally I don't see any of these characters surviving a rock with the mass of a mountain (billion tons) thrown at them at even 100mph. Except Galactus.
Otherwise, average showings like Thing or Namor affecting these characters in the slightest with punches would be contradictory.
Originally posted by Stoic
Hey, about the ass eating thing. It had two things attached to it.
1. LOB and those El's, or however you'd like to spell it... lol. Don't listen to that heathen.2. All characters have their moments of failure, even the ones that have yet to fail.
Oh, and yeah, Anime belongs with Anime. Tenchi rules.
Hell yeah Tenchi rules. 🙂 👆
Originally posted by h1a8
Just multiply by the square root of the ratio of strengths to obtain the new velocity.Also
If relativity is not taken into account then the velocity would still be significantly over the speed of light.If relativity is taken into account then the mass would increase to even more absurd amounts but the velocity would stay below light speed.
Personally I don't see any of these characters surviving a rock with the mass of a mountain (billion tons) thrown at them at even 100mph. Except Galactus.
Otherwise, average showings like Thing or Namor affecting these characters in the slightest with punches would be contradictory.
But did you know that AS Superman is relatively weak in comparison to many of the characters in Marvel and DC? He's about as strong or perhaps slightly stronger than Hercules. Hyperion would dwarf him by a minimum factor of 4x his strength.
Before having his cells critically charged with solar radiation AS Superman was even weaker.
Take a look at this.
Originally posted by Stoic
If we were to place All Star Superman on the Hercules scale from Marvel Comics, how much would he weigh in at? As of 2 days ago, it appears that it would take at the most, 2 Hercules level characters to stop the Earth from spinning. The Earth weighs in at roughly 6 sextillion tons (5.972 × 10^21 t). ASS Superman did not lift that amount. However, he was only lifting it with one arm and did not appear to struggle in the least. Putting this into perspective, All Star Superman was that Earth's version of a super charged version of Superman. He was actually a bit weak by Marvel, and DC standards if we consider Hyperion's feat, and later New 52 Superman's feat.The best that we can give AS Superman is something within the neighborhood of a Hercules level character (due to them not finding an upper limit to his strength), unless I got the numbers wrong. If I did, I'd more than welcome the correction so that I don't continue to embarrass myself in the future.
I take back it being above moving planetary mass. It's still a good feat though, and it didn't seem near his max. If they really want to minimize muscle involvement with these feats, they should make them start curling ridiculous amounts of weight.
If anything though, this thread has given me reason to reread the story.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
But if we use the British Quintilian?regardless, he lifted it with ease...One handed, no strain.
We wouldn't use the British quint. Marvel and DC Comics are US based companies.
That may be so, but going from that amount of weight to what Hyperion handled would likely be above AS Superman's weight limits. We also have to take into account that he was super charged to the point that it was killing him.
In my defense, I had a nap for 5 hours after that post so I was really tired. srug
I hate the bench pressing feat so much though. Not the bench pressing itself, that's fine. It's the 5 days thing. It makes no sense at all. It reminds me of that Johnny Bravo episode where he fell asleep curling and he kept trying to catch his arms up to each other.
What is the implication there? That he was doing so little weight that he could do it forever? Why not increase the weight instead? Why even do it in the first place?
I would have rather had him bench pressing a literal sun than bench pressing Earths weight for five days.
I don't think a lot of thought was put into that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman bench pressing the Earth's weight is a lot crazier. IMO. Hercules and Sun Spot's feat is as well.
Yep and no one here that have been saying Superman could kill these Heralds with this key would even muster up a thought at saying Hercules could kill Superman by throwing this key at him. None of them would (they know who I am talking too). All of them survive with a scratch on whatever spot the key connects.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
In my defense, I had a nap for 5 hours after that post so I was really tired. srugI hate the bench pressing feat so much though. Not the bench pressing itself, that's fine. It's the 5 days thing. It makes no sense at all. It reminds me of that Johnny Bravo episode where he fell asleep curling and he kept trying to catch his arms up to each other.
What is the implication there? That he was doing so little weight that he could do it forever? Why not increase the weight instead? Why even do it in the first place?I would have rather had him bench pressing a literal sun than bench pressing Earths weight for five days.
I don't think a lot of thought was put into that.
It could mean that he is able to exert at his maximum or near his maximum for extended periods due to super stamina.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
But if we use the British Quintilian?
British quintiliion is still the US quintillion. Officially anyway. They shifted from long scale to short scale in the 1970s (and that is due to to already widespread unofficial/informal use of the short scale prior to the official shift to short scale in 1974).