Originally posted by carver9
I cant quote Nib but thanks for the info bro. Highly intelligent people here on KMC. With that said, that strength ft isnt that impressive when we look at what being like Hulk and Thor has accomplished. In regards to durability, at their highest or above average, a lot of those people on that list would survive it just fine. They'll get thrown back but they will be ok.
Originally posted by carver9
I cant quote Nib but thanks for the info bro. Highly intelligent people here on KMC. With that said, that strength ft isnt that impressive when we look at what being like Hulk and Thor has accomplished. In regards to durability, at their highest or above average, a lot of those people on that list would survive it just fine. They'll get thrown back but they will be ok.
Not sure how you can say that with any degree of certainty, to be honest.
Originally posted by carver9I know you're much more of a Carver than a lifter, but overhead pressing is hard. I think it's something like 99 (point 9) percent of lifters will never ohp 2 plates (225 pounds) in their lives. Think of how much less that is than what the other lifts you hear about. A common Carver like you. Someone who has argued that flight and the like aide the other people's already extraordinary strength.
I cant quote Nib but thanks for the info bro. Highly intelligent people here on KMC. With that said, that strength ft isnt that impressive when we look at what being like Hulk and Thor has accomplished. In regards to durability, at their highest or above average, a lot of those people on that list would survive it just fine. They'll get thrown back but they will be ok.
Pick any strength feat you want, and I guarantee it had more to it than deltoids and triceps (along with biceps and core for stabilizers).
And then you also have to realize it's not relying on unquantifiable masses to make an impression, it's using very real numbers. He moved this amount of weight, so he can move however much much using his entire body, and so on.
And that's one hand. From the position he was in, I wouldn't say two hands would double the weight, but it wouldn't be too far below either. Seems like more of a landmine press than a dumbell press. Either way, he didn't seem to be struggling too hard.
This would be a lot better strength feat imo than Superman bench pressing the Earth... if Lobdell understood how absolutely stupid it is for Superman to be benching for five days. People shouldn't write things they don't understand at all.
Either way, I'd put it above simply moving planetary mass, without factoring in sun gravity and shit like that.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I know you're much more of a Carver than a lifter, but overhead pressing is hard. I think it's something like 99 (point 9) percent of lifters will never ohp 2 plates (225 pounds) in their lives. Think of how much less that is than what the other lifts you hear about. A common Carver like you. Someone who has argued that flight and the like aide the other people's already extraordinary strength.Pick any strength feat you want, and I guarantee it had more to it than deltoids and triceps (along with biceps and core for stabilizers).
And then you also have to realize it's not relying on unquantifiable masses to make an impression, it's using very real numbers. He moved this amount of weight, so he can move however much much using his entire body, and so on.
And that's one hand. From the position he was in, I wouldn't say two hands would double the weight, but it wouldn't be too far below either. Seems like more of a landmine press than a dumbell press. Either way, he didn't seem to be struggling too hard.
This would be a lot better strength feat imo than Superman bench pressing the Earth... if Lobdell understood how absolutely stupid it is for Superman to be benching for five days. People shouldn't write things they don't understand at all.
Either way, I'd put it above simply moving planetary mass, without factoring in sun gravity and shit like that.
👆 I see it as a landmine press, so to be generous, was prepared to say a normal human could do what, 60kg? 130lb?
A normal human could also throw a baseball (or key) around 90mph. So was going to scale off that.
You can also see him push the machine in the next panel so hard, it seems to be destroyed [and smoke/fire comes out of the computers].
http://i.imgur.com/exOofRMl.jpg
The same machine that was withstanding 200 quintillion tons counter-force just fine.
Originally posted by carver9
I cant quote Nib but thanks for the info bro. Highly intelligent people here on KMC. With that said, that strength ft isnt that impressive when we look at what being like Hulk and Thor has accomplished. In regards to durability, at their highest or above average, a lot of those people on that list would survive it just fine. They'll get thrown back but they will be ok.
I don't think Hulk or Thor has any quantifiable feat comparable to casually lifting 200 quintillion tons with one arm.
With that said, imagine a billion ton mountain resting on a lying Hulk or Thor in such a way that the part that's in contact with them is the size of a key.
We clearly see that both would be penetrated easily. This thread is about a force that is astronomically greater.
Also, those feats are AS Superman's average feats. He has no showings that contradict them. You have to use average showings for any of these characters. Otherwise, characters like Thing shouldn't be able to make either feel anything with his punches.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85No. Normal people are weak. Some lifters can't do a plate, and some people can't even do the bar.
👆 I see it as a landmine press, so to be generous, was prepared to say a normal human could do what, 60kg? 130lb?A normal human could also throw a baseball (or key) around 90mph. So was going to scale off that.
Landmine pressing is weird though. I'd have to try it out again, but I know my one hand pressing was comparable or a little less than pressing from the chest with two hands. Which is probably because I'm scared of putting more than 3 plates on the bar and knocking all of my face off in a slip. When I get home in a couple days I'll try some different stuff out and see how it compares.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Nice. 👆
Landmines are easier for me, just from a flexibility point of view. Uses chest muscles as well, depending on the angle. Could do 90kg at one point.
I still need to get rid of some shit in my garage before I give it a good go just so I can try and go backwards if it goes bad. One handed is fine, I'm scared it's going to come out of my clasped hands in the two handed. It seems like the equivalent of suicide grip to me.
Edit: you have more experience with it than me. What is your ratio of one handed to two handed landmine?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Except no human that I know of can press 400 TRILLION times the weight of the baseball(unless we're talking about bran making those creepy
👆 I see it as a landmine press, so to be generous, was prepared to say a normal human could do what, 60kg? 130lb?A normal human could also throw a baseball (or key) around 90mph. So was going to scale off that.
That's what I don't think some people here are understanding... Supes would be able to throw this thing at absurd velocities.
Originally posted by Galan007All of this is true.
Except no human that I know of can press 400 TRILLION times the weight of the baseball(unless we're talking about bran making those creepymasturbation'workout vids' of his.)That's what I don't think some people here are understanding... Supes would be able to throw this thing at absurd velocities.
However, I think DS was just trying to get a baseline down for it, and I'm curious where he winds up with it.
I'd say the numbers he uses are his ratio of landmine pressing (just to put the weight in perspective if Superman used both hands), 95 pounds and 70-80 mph for the totally average human. That way we can see the absolute minimum of how to view the feat to present it to Carv and the Carving Gang.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
All of this is true.However, I think DS was just trying to get a baseline down for it, and I'm curious where he winds up with it.
I'd say the numbers he uses are his ratio of landmine pressing (just to put the weight in perspective if Superman used both hands), 95 pounds and 70-80 mph for the totally average human. That way we can see the absolute minimum of how to view the feat to present it to Carv and the Carving Gang.
Basically.
We have never seen ASM actually throw the key - so am having to use ratios.
43kg (95lbs) to 200 quintillion tons - is the speed factor to multiply 75mph by (roughly).
Kinetic energy = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. That's what will be hitting the contestants here.
Now, people might say 'this is comics, you can't use RL physics' - but we don't have an actual comic showing of ASM throwing his key.
Of course, Morrison didn't give a hoot about RL physics. So we could prob end up with something absolutely insane.
Re: All-Star Superman throws his key...
All of this totally depends where Superman throws the key at. If he is aiming for the heads or hearts of his opponents, then it would be a totally different outcome than if he was aiming for their shoulders or legs.
I mean, the key would pretty much be like a bullet. That size combined with that speed, it should simply pass through the majority of the people on the list. The question is just how it would affect them. I guess it also depends on if the key would rotate, because that would overall increase the size of the projectile and the damage it does.
Originally posted by Galan007-Surfer
The key pierces his body, no matter where it's thrown at. Surfer regenerates any area that is not his brain / heart.
But this is probably the trickiest one. Surfer is all over the place, when it comes to durability / regeneration / nigh-immortality. Judging by his Thanos showings, he should die from getting his brain or heart pierced, no matter if he actually has these organs or not. I would have argued, that he hasn't, but why would Thanos then be able to beat him to near death? Why would Thanos be able to stab Surfer through the chest and pierce his head on Mjolnir, ultimately killing him in the process?
So yeah, if the key goes through his brain / heart, he dies.
Originally posted by Galan007-Thor
Dies from getting his brain pierced.
MIGHT survive getting his heart pierces, but that would take him out for a very long time until he recovered back from it. He was fighting Silver Surfer, while some of his organs were turned into glass or something.
Survives everything else and recovers in time.
Originally posted by Galan007-Hulk
Survives everything. Anything non-brain / non-heart affected would heal pretty quickly. Brain and heart might take a while, but I don't think it would really stop the Hulk. If I remember correctly, Bruce Banner has already tried commiting suicide by shooting a bullet in his head. But he simply transformed into the Hulk afterwards and spit the bullet out.
Originally posted by Galan007-Thanos
Not sure at which point Thanos is at right now, when it comes to immortality and all those things... but if it's a Thanos, who can die... then having his brain pierced might be the only thing to stop him. A pierced heart would slow him down for sure, but he would heal from it in time. Brain however? That's a toss up. He simply doesn't have Hulks healing factor. I dunno.
Originally posted by Galan007-Mangog
No idea.
Originally posted by Galan007-Galactus
Nothing happens. Even if I entertain the idea of Galactus getting pierced by the key, he would simply regenerate back and flick Superman into oblivion.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85So I did it, and the strike would have aprox. the energy to destroy 1,000,000 solar systems. Concentrated into one spot.
Basically.We have never seen ASM actually throw the key - so am having to use ratios.
43kg (95lbs) to 200 quintillion tons - is the speed factor to multiply 75mph by (roughly).
Kinetic energy = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. That's what will be hitting the contestants here.
Now, people might say 'this is comics, you can't use RL physics' - but we don't have an actual comic showing of ASM throwing his key.
Of course, Morrison didn't give a hoot about RL physics. So we could prob end up with something absolutely insane.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Have you ever seen a bullet hit a watermelon? It doesn't just pierce it.The entire thing explodes.
This is true but you cant compare a bullet and a watermelon with beings that have withstood attacks from abstracts, skyfathers and transtier beings. The comparison just doesn't match. You should probably stick with the Wolverine argument.
Originally posted by carver9Kinetic energy is kinetic energy.
This is true but you cant compare a bullet and a watermelon with beings that have withstood attacks from abstracts, skyfathers and transtier beings. The comparison just doesn't match. You should probably stick with the Wolverine argument.
Or better yet, for you to understand, think of it as "Hulk is Hulk".
