Originally posted by h1a8
Lol I didn’t lie. I never heard him site anything. I’ll look at the link in the description.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Geez, it's like you can't stop lying.(6:05)
"From the papers and values that I could find, the average luminosity of a neutron star is..."
Aka. Not an assumption. He did research. He even provided sources at the bottom of the info section of the video.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Can't stop lyin.Why you always lyin?
Originally posted by StigmaYes, he’s stronger and faster but Thor is strong and quick enough to hit him. Far slower have done so. Thor also has greater feats and you agree the far better hero.
Thor has better ranged powers and is more heroic, sure. Supes is much faster and stronger (by an amount hard to define exactly, at least in my eyes). That is all.
Originally posted by h1a8
Surtur feat has nothing to do with it though.
Its a good feat on its own.
Let's say Hulk just landed on Thor (didn't punch).
From 150m high (being generous)
Hulk would have obtained a landing velocity of 54m/s (about 120mph)
The momentum is about 27,110kg*m/s
If the contact time is about 0.1 seconds (we didn't see it) then the impact force would be 27 tons.
If Hulk can supply 200 tons of punching force then we have 227tons on Thor.
Cool.
That means that the Surtur punch is going to be mostly Hulk' strength rather than his momentum.
Just so you understand what I'm talking about, let's say Hulk impacted Surtur at 2 km/s and he weights around 500 kg. His momentum would be about 1,000,000 kg*m/s, or about 1000 tons*m/s.
For comparison, Surtur's head alone would weight way more than 1000 tons and moved way faster than 1 m/s when Hulk punched it.
Surtur's head moved several times it's length in 1 second, which is rather impressive considering Surtur's size.
0:05-0:06
Let's use 1000 tons and 40 m/s for a low end (the real numbers are much higher than this).
That's about 40,000,000 kg*m/s, if we subtract the 1,000,000 kg*m/s that was Hulk's leaping momentum, we are left with 39,000,000 kg*m/s for Hulk's strength.
I encourage others to correct this calculation if they so wish.
Originally posted by Nevan
So you want to judge the added force [B]only by velocity?Cool.
That means that the Surtur punch is going to be mostly Hulk' strength rather than his momentum.
Just so you understand what I'm talking about, let's say Hulk impacted Surtur at 2 km/s and he weights around 500 kg. His momentum would be about 1,000,000 kg*m/s, or about 1000 tons*m/s.
For comparison, Surtur's head alone would weight way more than 1000 tons and moved way faster than 1 m/s when Hulk punched it.
Surtur's head moved several times it's length in 1 second, which is rather impressive considering Surtur's size.
0:05-0:06
Let's use 1000 tons and 40 m/s for a low end (the real numbers are much higher than this).
That's about 40,000,000 kg*m/s, if we subtract the 1,000,000 kg*m/s that was Hulk's leaping momentum, we are left with 39,000,000 kg*m/s for Hulk's strength.
I encourage others to correct this calculation if they so wish. [/B]
Assuming Surtur was as dense as magma then the actual amount would be higher. I see no problem with your calculations. Good job!
But that proves my 2 points.
1. Writer's do not know the science behind many feats they create.
which causes
2. Character's showings to fluctuate wildly between scenes.
For example, Immediately after that hit, Hulk's hits did nothing to Surtur. That's a vast difference in power. This makes us believe that the initial hit was mostly supplied by Hulk's downward momentum, but it's most likely just a huge fluctuation due to writers not knowing the magnitude of the feat.
That's why I'm a firm believer that you can't equate one showing with another.
Otherwise, we can say stupid stuff like Gladiator hit Colossus with planet busting strength or Odin hit Thanos with galaxy busting blasts, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
Assuming Surtur was as dense as magma then the actual amount would be higher. I see no problem with your calculations. Good job!But that proves my 2 points.
1. Writer's do not know the science behind many feats they create.
which causes
2. Character's showings to fluctuate wildly between scenes.For example, Immediately after that hit, Hulk's hits did nothing to Surtur. That's a vast difference in power. This makes us believe that the initial hit was mostly supplied by Hulk's downward momentum, but it's most likely just a huge fluctuation due to writers not knowing the magnitude of the feat.
That's why I'm a firm believer that you can't equate one showing with another.
Otherwise, we can say stupid stuff like Gladiator hit Colossus with planet busting strength or Odin hit Thanos with galaxy busting blasts, etc.
I like how you agree with the calcs, which state that his momentum at best provided a tiny fraction of the force. then you turn around and claim that most of the force was provided by his momentum.
IOW, you just proved that you're a troll that'll ignore everything that goes against your massive bias.
Originally posted by Stigma
Thor has better ranged powers and is more heroic, sure. Supes is much faster and stronger (by an amount hard to define exactly, at least in my eyes). That is all.
Superman is stronger and a lot faster. Thor hits harder (when amped, especially with weapons), has AOEs, better ranged attacks and can coat himself in lightning that auto-attacks enemies, and has far better fighting skills.
That's why I say this is a toss up.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how you agree with the calcs, which state that his momentum at best provided a tiny fraction of the force. then you turn around and claim that most of the force was provided by his momentum.IOW, you just proved that you're a troll that'll ignore everything that goes against your massive bias.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see.
This is what I said,
"This makes us believe that the initial hit was mostly supplied by Hulk's downward momentum, but it's most likely just a huge fluctuation due to writers not knowing the magnitude of the feat."
Originally posted by h1a8
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see.This is what I said,
"This makes us believe that the initial hit was mostly supplied by Hulk's downward momentum, but it's most likely just a huge fluctuation due to writers not knowing the magnitude of the feat."
If you want to play this game, fine.
Prove that it made "us believe that the initial hit was mostly supplied by Hulk's downward momentum".
Originally posted by h1a8
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see.This is what I said,
"This makes us believe that the initial hit was mostly supplied by Hulk's downward momentum, but it's most likely just a huge fluctuation due to writers not knowing the magnitude of the feat."
thanks for the laughs.. anytime i need to laugh i'll jut read your posts
Originally posted by Silent Master
If you want to play this game, fine.Prove that it made "us believe that the initial hit was mostly supplied by Hulk's downward momentum".
The first hit makes Surtur flinch, the other hits do nothing. The first hit has Hulk’s momentum coming down (he’s falling). The other hits Hulk is not falling.
Therefore it makes us think that Hulk’s falling had something to do with it.
Still waiting on the BZ challenge acceptance h1.