I wouldn't say they hate him, but I do think that they decided to take one route with his character that is neither the right nor the best one. And it's been largely informed by what Waititi did in Ragnarok.
The "Jekyll and Hyde" Hulk that Whedon gave us is largely done and dusted at this point, I think. I was hoping that if we got a She-Hulk show that they'd use him as a kind of "this is what you have to avoid becoming" warning for her, but I doubt even that's possible now.
Originally posted by Darth ThorAnt man while massive is not as strong as the hulk. Why would they let a brute like hulk handle the task of bringing back half the universe. Of course he needed some intelligence in using the stones.
Infinity Guantlet wasnt big enough for Ant-Man in his Giant form.Plus Feige confirmed Banners intellect was important for the snap to work as effectively as it did (like not having people who vanished from a plane reappear in mid air).
And on top of all that they went out of their way explaining how Hulk was the perfect guy for the snap die to the gamma radiation the stones were emitting.
So even with that huge advantage he still lost an arm. Lame.
And not one fight.
Russos hate the Hulk.
Hulk is the only one who could have survived there which included Thor. That is how powerful the blast is. Acting like a universal weapon only taking away an arm is lame when Thor wasowned by tasers is just being silly. A plot device can take anyone out but the stones are the greatest plot device in a fictional universe thus far.
No the Russos do not hate the hulk. You have to leave your battle board nonsense out of the story. That is what is wrong with the Star Wars fandom. If a guy does not get the best feats you hate the film.
Someone posted the deleted scenes up on youtube, if asnyone's interested:
It's mostly jokey stuff, so nothing groundbreaking.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They hate him by making him the key character in Endgame?Okay.
Are you for real? Hes the only OG Avenger who didnt go up against Thanos. And can you tell me a single fight he was in? Like one worthy opponent he went up against in the finale where every other character got a chance to shine?
Originally posted by -Pr-
I wouldn't say they hate him, but I do think that they decided to take one route with his character that is neither the right nor the best one. And it's been largely informed by what Waititi did in Ragnarok.The "Jekyll and Hyde" Hulk that Whedon gave us is largely done and dusted at this point, I think. I was hoping that if we got a She-Hulk show that they'd use him as a kind of "this is what you have to avoid becoming" warning for her, but I doubt even that's possible now.
Taking that route is fine. But at least have him in a fight. Hes the only OG Avenger who didnt go up against Thanos in the final fight (and no im not including Hawkeye).
He never even got a shot at Cull Obsidian, who Banner kept begging him to come out and face in Infinity War.
They had Ant-Man stepping on Cull. Ant-Man!
And yes im talking solely about action, because he seems to be the only Avengers who got no action in this one. And its the Hulk.
I actually have no idea how tough this Smart Hulk is, because we saw nothing from him in combat. Really.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1)Ant man while massive is not as strong as the hulk. Why would they let a brute like hulk handle the task of bringing back half the universe. Of course he needed some intelligence in using the stones.2)Hulk is the only one who could have survived there which included Thor. That is how powerful the blast is. Acting like a universal weapon only taking away an arm is lame when Thor wasowned by tasers is just being silly. A plot device can take anyone out but the stones are the greatest plot device in a fictional universe thus far.
3)No the Russos do not hate the hulk. You have to leave your battle board nonsense out of the story. That is what is wrong with the Star Wars fandom. If a guy does not get the best feats you hate the film.
1) Thats your opinion. Feats say differently.
Already explained why he was the one to use the gauntlet. Over Ant-Man it was practicality. Over Thor it was Mental health. And over both of them it was Banners intellect. Plus as explained by Banner he was made for that due to the stones emitting Gamma. And yet the Russos still insist on that permanently damaging his arm. No healing back from that. Wow they hate him.
2) Lame response downplaying Thor. And already addressed in 1.
3) Best feats? Best feats? The guy has been sitting on the bench since he got clobbered by Thanos right at the beginning of the Infinity War. Since then the Russos have given Hulk nothing to smash. Not a thing. And being the only OG Avenger not to go up against Thanos in the finale. And they use Ant-Man to take out Cull and give Hulk nothing.
Yeah they hate him. Almost to the level of Singer and Cyclops.
Originally posted by Darth ThorPortrayals and shared feats flat out confirm it. Ant Man has no mental health concerns and the hulk says none of them would survive. He never cites mental health it comes down to whether they can survive the blast.
1) Thats your opinion. Feats say differently.
Already explained why he was the one to use the gauntlet. Over Ant-Man it was practicality. Over Thor it was Mental health. And over both of them it was Banners intellect. Plus as explained by Banner he was made for that due to the stones emitting Gamma. And yet the Russos still insist on that permanently damaging his arm. No healing back from that. Wow they hate him.2) Lame response downplaying Thor. And already addressed in 1.
3) Best feats? Best feats? The guy has been sitting on the bench since he got clobbered by Thanos right at the beginning of the Infinity War. Since then the Russos have given Hulk nothing to smash. Not a thing. And being the only OG Avenger not to go up against Thanos in the finale. And they use Ant-Man to take out Cull and give Hulk nothing.
Yeah they hate him. Almost to the level of Singer and Cyclops.
Yes, despite the hulk even having gamma radiation in his favor the blast permanently damaged his own arm thus making Thanos survival after being impaled by stormbreaker while tanking the combined stones blast so impressive it is not fair for any other character in films.
Being permanently damaged does not mean they will not find a way in a later film not helmed by the Russos. I bet they will find a way but for this film it is at this point permanently damaged until further notice.
2. No, it is using a plot device that is used quite often in Ragnarok. Thor us still powerful so it taking him out is no big thing. The ig permanently hurting the hulk is not a big deal either. Plot devices. The gauntlet is the greatest MCU plot device. That is not even debatable.
3. Hulk achieved the goal the avengers sought out the whole film. The most impressive feat of the heroes of the film was bringing half the universe back and surviving the blast. It was specifically mentioned the rest could not survive. Banner already beat Cull in the suit in the previous film. This is what I am talking about. Since he did not smash his opponents you believe they hate the hulk. It is you better wank my guy in combat or I am going to be an upset battle battle board fan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Portrayals and shared feats flat out confirm it. Ant Man has no mental health concerns and the hulk says none of them would survive. He never cites mental health it comes down to whether they can survive the blast.
What shared feats? Giant-Man took out a Leviathan in a much more impressive manner than Hulk. Ergo Ant-Man is the strongest going by feats.
Ive already addressed why Hulk had to wear the Gauntlet, and you haven't responded to a single point I made. The mental health advantage was over Thor, not Ant-Man.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, despite the hulk even having gamma radiation in his favor the blast permanently damaged his own arm thus making Thanos survival after being impaled by stormbreaker while tanking the combined stones blast so impressive it is not fair for any other character in films.Being permanently damaged does not mean they will not find a way in a later film not helmed by the Russos. I bet they will find a way but for this film it is at this point permanently damaged until further notice.
This isn't about Thanos. It's about how shitty Hulk is. Even with the gamma advantage they made him permanently blacken/weaken and injure his arm.
Yes hopefully new directors who actually like Hulk will give him his arm back, but as far as the Russos are concerned it's permanent. They didn't need to say or portray that. But they did.
Originally posted by quanchi112
2. No, it is using a plot device that is used quite often in Ragnarok. Thor us still powerful so it taking him out is no big thing. The ig permanently hurting the hulk is not a big deal either. Plot devices. The gauntlet is the greatest MCU plot device. That is not even debatable.
Again there was no need for that damage to be permanent. The Russos did that because they hate him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
3. Hulk achieved the goal the avengers sought out the whole film. The most impressive feat of the heroes of the film was bringing half the universe back and surviving the blast. It was specifically mentioned the rest could not survive. Banner already beat Cull in the suit in the previous film. This is what I am talking about. Since he did not smash his opponents you believe they hate the hulk. It is you better wank my guy in combat or I am going to be an upset battle battle board fan.
Yeah he achieved it with a huge Gamma advantage and still permanently harming his arm. Not very impressive. The Russos could have taken the opportunity to display Hulks healing factor. But they did no such thing. He's officially the useless Avenger now.
Smashing is Hulks thing. And he did none of that in this film, whereas every other character did. Forget being the ONLY OG Avenger not to take on Thanos. He didn't even get to fight Cull. Nothing just fodder in background shots easily missed.
Clearly the Russos hate Hulk.
Originally posted by Darth ThorYes, due to the power of the blast which Thor could not survive. Thor is not the powerhouse of the team. This is one more indication Hulk is stronger and more durable than Thor is. He desperately wanted to help but banner shut him down. Thor becoming fat and being pitiful in the film in terms of emotional stability could lend to a case maybe the russos hate Thor. Of course I do not believe they hate any character since I am an adult that understands it is executing a story with the characters. It is not about battleboard feats.
What shared feats? Giant-Man took out a Leviathan in a much more impressive manner than Hulk. Ergo Ant-Man is the strongest going by feats.Hulk lacked the weight of giant man so heck no as he casually just leapt at one coming in his direction with a lot of momentum. Beating up leviathans is not impressive it is how these characters face off against each other not the fact Valkyrie or how the Ant Man destroyed one. We never go by featscalone we go by comparisons and how they stack up. If Thor has a greater feat than Thanos but we see Thanos is stronger we do not assume based on feats ignore common sense and the portrayals.You pretended his mental health would make him survive when he explains none of them would survive the feat. He flat out says it. He does not say you will not execute the task he says they will not survive.If we asked the russos who is stronger you know they would say the Hulk. This is not a secret.
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This isn't about Thanos. It's about how shitty Hulk is. Even with the gamma advantage they made him permanently blacken/weaken and injure his arm.
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I predict he will. You can believe otherwise. I am fine with everything in the film since he is the only avengers in that room that could survive the blast. Thor could not further proving my powerhouse claim.
Yes hopefully new directors who actually like Hulk will give him his arm back, but as far as the Russos are concerned it's permanent. They didn't need to say or portray that. But they did.
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Show an interview or any evidence proving the russos sabotaged the Hulk out of a personal vendetta.
Again there was no need for that damage to be permanent. The Russos did that because they hate him.[/B]
Being the only one who can survive there proves he is more durable than any of the others.
Yeah he achieved it with a huge Gamma advantage and still permanently harming his arm. Not very impressive. The Russos could have taken the opportunity to display Hulks healing factor. But they did no such thing. He's officially the useless Avenger now.Smashing is Hulks thing. And he did none of that in this film, whereas every other character did. Forget being the ONLY OG Avenger not to take on Thanos. He didn't even get to fight Cull. Nothing just fodder in background shots easily missed.
Clearly the Russos hate Hulk. [/B]
No, he is alive so he can still fight. He did in the film despite the injury and he can still use his superior intellect. Dead ones cannot help.
One aspect of an angry hulk not the dual nature or totality of the character.
He already beat Cull why go down the same road. Plus he was injured he would lose. If a guy tears an Achilles in basketball we do call him worthless and ignore what he was capable of in his prime. Just wait and see. I have confidence the Hulk will be back in full form in the future.
I finally watched this the other day. Had to watch it with my 2-year-old running around during the last 2/3rds, so that didn't help my enjoyment much, but I basically agree in large part with the Red Letter Media review...
Even despite the convoluted time travel premise it was a largely satisfying conclusion to the series, albeit with some stupid stains on the vision, like Captain Marvel. Possibly will get more enjoyable with further viewings.
My favorite part: Ant-man trying to eat his taco. 😂
Second favorite part: Peter Quill getting caught dancing like idiot from Guardians 1.
^Good take, Leech.
I prefer Infinity War after thinking on it, as IW is near-perfection in terms of pacing and has the best action set pieces in comic book movie history, and Thanos was far more interesting as a protagonist villain than Endgame's big bad.
However, I prefer Endgame's dialogue, character moments, and comedy. Saw it twice, and it is an extremely well-crafted conclusion to the MCU as we've known it for the past 11 years.
Though the time travel plot that forms the basis for the movie and takes up the entire second act is convoluted as you say, I enjoyed the Back to the Future Part II trip through some of the MCU's greatest hits (and being daring enough to include Thor: The Dark World - considered along with The Incredible Hulk as the weakest two MCU films - as part of the big three past destinations).
I would've liked a Hulk vs Thanos rematch as much as the next MCU fan, but having his gamma irradiated self bring back the dusted half of the universe and thereby using his superpowered green self for something other than beating the tar out of big monsters was a different take with which I can side.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
I would've liked a Hulk vs Thanos rematch as much as the next MCU fan, but having his gamma irradiated self bring back the dusted half of the universe and thereby using his superpowered green self for something other than beating the tar out of big monsters was a different take with which I can side.
Nah kinda lame when thats the only thing he does.
And still is left with a deformed arm. No healing and not a single fight since Thanos beat his ass at the beginning of Infinity War.
I feel like people are trying very hard to justify his role in these two films, and instead ignoring the more clear explanation - that the Russos just dont like him very much.
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo, it 8s just you are so fixated on your narrow minded views you see it as the only option without a shred of proof to your claims. So?
Nah kinda lame when thats the only thing he does.And still is left with a deformed arm. No healing and not a single fight since Thanos beat his ass at the beginning of Infinity War.
I feel like people are trying very hard to justify his role in these two films, and instead ignoring the more clear explanation - that the Russos just dont like him very much.
It was about hulk, banner, and the two eventually coexisting in a character evolution whereas your fixation is hulk smash only.
Thanos beat the shit out of pretty much everyone just took their chances at him showing he is the top dog hands down. Greatest warrior in the MCU. Hulk stands no chance against him.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
^Good take, Leech.I prefer Infinity War after thinking on it, as IW is near-perfection in terms of pacing and has the best action set pieces in comic book movie history, and Thanos was far more interesting as a protagonist villain than Endgame's big bad.
Yeah, Infinity War worked much better as a cohesive film.
In fact I may just pretend that that was the ending... Thanos won... THE END. 😂
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Though the time travel plot that forms the basis for the movie and takes up the entire second act is convoluted as you say, I enjoyed the Back to the Future Part II trip through some of the MCU's greatest hits (and being daring enough to include Thor: The Dark World - considered along with The Incredible Hulk as the weakest two MCU films - as part of the big three past destinations).
Yeah, it reminded me a bit of the Seinfeld finale. It didn't make for a great episode, but it was still amusing and entertaining to relive some of the past classic moments.
Although, I really didn't like them redoing that scene on the mountain with Red Skull where Renner and Scar Jo repeated the scene from Inifinity War with Thanos and Gamora. Espeically since they sort of dragged it out. It was too redundant and even lessened the effectiveness of what the scene was supposed to mean.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah kinda lame when thats the only thing he does.And still is left with a deformed arm. No healing and not a single fight since Thanos beat his ass at the beginning of Infinity War.
I feel like people are trying very hard to justify his role in these two films, and instead ignoring the more clear explanation - that the Russos just dont like him very much.
Well, for now at least. Let's hope future directors decide to retcon that.