Originally posted by Scribble
Hardly playing a victim. I'm just saying that I know the tactics people use here, and you just skirted close to turning to them. Don't think I'm some dumb bastard who can't read between lines. Be cordial. The whole 'Nazi' discussion was irrelevant anyway – it was you who claimed that we were saying that people literally called Peterson a Nazi, even though we didn't.But the fact of the matter is that the alt-right are a Neo-Nazi organisation, and certain parties have done their best to associate Peterson with the alt-right in an effort to discredit him. I've said all of this before.
If I wanted to insult you, I would have. Surtur said "Alt-Right" and he thinks they're Nazis, so I was going off his standards set. So me saying "Nazi" was interchangeable.
Even if we go with "Alt-Right", that story doesn't really do that, sure it's a hit-piece, but it makes the distinction between Peterson's beliefs and that of many/some of his base.
Originally posted by RobtardIt's not just in that hit-piece, it's a concerted effort across many platforms and by many different companies to associate Peterson inherently with the Alt-Right. This can be seen across all of the materials that I and others have posted, and again, I said this before, in my er, last post.
If I wanted to insult you, I would have. Surtur said "Alt-Right" and he thinks they're Nazis, so I was going off his standards set. So me saying "Nazi" was interchangeable.Even if we go with "Alt-Right", that story doesn't really do that, sure it's a hit-piece, but it makes the distinction between Peterson's beliefs and that of many/some of his base.
If they weren't doing this, then they'd actually discuss Peterson's relevance to people other than those on the Alt-Right. And even then, what a lot of media outlets refer to as the 'Alt-Right' includes anyone who posts a Pepe meme, so it's even more egregious and irresponsible than just smearing Peterson; it's a concerted effort to conflate a whole bunch of people they don't like into "Far-Right" and assumedly "White Supremacist" labels.
Originally posted by Scribble
It's not just in that hit-piece, it's a concerted effort across many platforms and by many different companies to associate Peterson inherently with the Alt-Right. This can be seen across all of the materials that I and others have posted, and again, I said this before, in my er, last post.If they weren't doing this, then they'd actually discuss Peterson's relevance to people other than those on the Alt-Right. And even then, what a lot of media outlets refer to as the 'Alt-Right' includes anyone who posts a Pepe meme, so it's even more egregious and irresponsible than just smearing Peterson; it's a concerted effort to conflate a whole bunch of people they don't like into "Far-Right" and assumedly "White Supremacist" labels.
I'm just talking about that one article and it goes on to specifically cite that Peterson does indeed get associated with some of the more gross elements of his fan-base, but Peterson does speak out against the Alt-Right. (we've done this already)
If they were trying to call Peterson a Nazi/Alt-Right and not that he just attracts certain shitlords, they kinda failed, regardless that it's a tear down of the man and is trying to assassinate his views.
Originally posted by RobtardWell, if we're just talking about that article, I don't have much else to say other than what I said before about the dumpster fire.
I'm just talking about that one article and it goes on to specifically cite that Peterson does indeed get associated with some of the more gross elements of his fan-base, but Peterson does speak out against the Alt-Right. (we've done this already)If they were trying to call Peterson a Nazi/Alt-Right and not that he just attracts certain shitlords, they kinda failed, regardless that it's a tear down of the man and is trying to assassinate his views.
For the shit I've given Peterson, I should say that I respect him in a weird way. He's intelligent, at least very clever. He quickly figured out that there's a sizeable population of younger white males (his base) that are eagerly looking for a daddy figure type, someone to tell them everything's going to be alright while preying on their insecurities, doubts and shortcomings and he has capitalized in on that. He's a lower-end millionaire and earns between 50-80K at month (depending where you look) from donations alone.
Morals aside as one could argue that's unscrupulous, but he's very successful in what he does.
Originally posted by Robtard
For the shit I've given Peterson, I should say that I respect him in a weird way. He's intelligent, at least very clever. He quickly figured out that there's a sizeable population of younger white males (his base) that are eagerly looking for a daddy figure type, someone to tell them everything's going to be alright while preying on their insecurities, doubts and shortcomings and he has capitalized in on that. He's a lower-end millionaire and earns between 50-80K at month (depending where you look) from donations alone.Morals aside as one could argue that's unscrupulous, but he's very successful in what he does.
Could be. Or maybe he does really care about helping people? I've never seen anything to contradict that.
Originally posted by Robtard
For the shit I've given Peterson, I should say that I respect him in a weird way. He's intelligent, at least very clever. He quickly figured out that there's a sizeable population of younger white males (his base) that are eagerly looking for a daddy figure type, someone to tell them everything's going to be alright while preying on their insecurities, doubts and shortcomings and he has capitalized in on that. He's a lower-end millionaire and earns between 50-80K at month (depending where you look) from donations alone.Morals aside as one could argue that's unscrupulous, but he's very successful in what he does.
The idea that his base is purely young white males is ridiculous, and evidently false when you watch his Q&A's and see how many different people attend, interact and show their thanks to him. He has good messages for all people – personally, he has already helped me out of a ruthless depressive slump by giving me hours upon hours of food-thought and simple but effective lessons in possible good ways to live your life, and he hasn't asked me for a goddamn penny.
People donate that money because they're genuinely thankful for what he's doing: shattering the illusion that everything is society's fault, not yours. He's lifting people up, and providing some much-needed hope amongst the wretched quagmire of cynical post-modern internet culture and watered-down celebrity politics.
I mean, I get it: to actually understand where he's coming from, you have to watch at least one video of 2 1/2hr length, which isn't easy for everyone to do. He's not instantly accessible, and I personally don't agree with everything he says (sometimes I find myself left of him, sometimes right, which I find interesting), but it's great hearing someone saying trying to inject some rationality back into modern culture, imo. And plenty of people are listening to him, of all walks of life.
Originally posted by RobtardI don't really get that impression at all (especially considering he didn't ask for any of this), and I don't see why you assume it, either. He's been a university lecturer for a great deal of his life, talking in long-form is literally what he's paid to do. Not that big a jump up to stadiums and the like.
Cynical, maybe/maybe not.But the guy loves to hear himself talk; he's absolutely full of himself, now he's getting paid extremely well for it and who doesn't want to be loved?
Plus, he has countless full university modules available for free on his YouTube (he doesn't even have ads enabled), and his 'self-authoring' programs must be the shittest attempt at a pyramid scheme in all of history, considering it costs like £20 for two unlimited access subscriptions.
The evidence points generally to a humble and utilitarian man who has genuine concern for his fellow humans, and sees his expertise as a psychologist and a lecturer as useful to the world at large.