While I agree that some of the omissions were odd, I don't see it as a big deal that they didn't reveal Paul's mentat training. I was disappointed to see almost all of the court intrigue cut away. It's especially surprising considering the success of GoT. And, personally, I was very disappointed they never mentioned Paul "giving tears to the dead". I've always thought that to be of the more powerful and memorable moments in the book and really helps show how big a deal water is to the Fremen.
Originally posted by ares834
While I agree that some of the omissions were odd, I don't see it as a big deal that they didn't reveal Paul's mentat training. I was disappointed to see almost all of the court intrigue cut away. It's especially surprising considering the success of GoT. And, personally, I was very disappointed they never mentioned Paul "giving tears to the dead". I've always thought that to be of the more powerful and memorable moments in the book and really helps show how big a deal water is to the Fremen.
disagree. it's a pretty big deal to me that once again, atraides prescient abilities are going to be reduced to magic and wizardry, with strange godly voices calling forth the magical chosen one because magic. oh i can't wait to see the nonsensical kaleidoscopic galaxy brained acid trip to explain muad'dib taking the water of life. i will stuff my face with much popcorn and admire the aesthetic mastery and beautiful color palette
meanwhile, his abilities are actually the result of giving the ancestral memory of all humanity to a human computer. so it's actually not supposed to be silly magic and chosen one prophesy, right? it actually makes sense without having to involve god or goddess or mystery person from the future whispering "chosen one" into his ear when he's supposed to be running from an angry sandworm
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
disagree. it's a pretty big deal to me that once again, atraides prescient abilities are going to be reduced to magic and wizardry, with strange godly voices calling forth the magical chosen one because magic. oh i can't wait to see the nonsensical kaleidoscopic galaxy brained acid trip to explain muad'dib taking the water of life. i will stuff my face with much popcorn and admire the aesthetic mastery and beautiful color palettemeanwhile, his abilities are actually the result of giving the ancestral memory of all humanity to a human computer. so it's actually not supposed to be silly magic and chosen one prophesy, right? it actually makes sense without having to involve god or goddess or mystery person from the future whispering "chosen one" into his ear when he's supposed to be running from an angry sandworm
Sure. But I feel this issue here isn't that they didn't reveal that Paul is a mentant but rather how they chose to portray his powers. And I agree, I wasn't a fan of that. You've already touched upon the voices, but I also wasn't happy with how his visions seemed to be metaphorical and had to be interpreted rather than literal. It really makes his powers seem mystical.
Originally posted by Bashar Tegmy thoughts exactly.
they remembered so many little things and forgot the big things. did you know paul was trained as a mentat? welp... not anymore. and here i thought that was a key talent to becoming the kwisatz haderach. that's all i have to say...for now
@Ares the tears to the dead is a lasting moment... lost!
this was a great movie.
the novel purists are just nitpicking at this point. could more details from the books have been included? sure. but the runtime was already approaching 3 hours, so everything you nerds were hoping to see couldn't have possibly gotten stuffed in there without jumbling things even more for newer viewers.
dont get me wrong- there were some elements from the novels that i would have liked to have seen included as well, but the movie was still a very enjoyable watch. great and cohesive story, and even better cinematography.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXTo a point you are right if we didn't have a view of the film based on the novels, im sure we would have enjoyed it more. It is a well made film and watchable even for me, I'm sure a lot of people will love it. It's a good film! Just not my Dune, mine is the book and films usually pale against source material.
this was a great movie.the novel purists are just nitpicking at this point. could more details from the books have been included? sure. but the runtime was already approaching 3 hours, so everything you nerds were hoping to see couldn't have possibly gotten stuffed in there without jumbling things even more for newer viewers.
dont get me wrong- there were some elements from the novels that i would have liked to have seen included as well, but the movie was still a very enjoyable watch. great and cohesive story, and even better cinematography.
that's fair. everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
having said that, i am also a huge fan of the novels, and still thought this movie was great. it is something that any fan of the mythos (or even newbies) should watch imo. even if you dont care for the story itself for whatever reason, i think we can all agree that it's visually stunning.
Originally posted by ares834
Sure. But I feel this issue here isn't that they didn't reveal that Paul is a mentant but rather how they chose to portray his powers. And I agree, I wasn't a fan of that. You've already touched upon the voices, but I also wasn't happy with how his visions seemed to be metaphorical and had to be interpreted rather than literal. It really makes his powers seem mystical.
i have to add that it's even more destructive than turning dune into LotR, and muad'dib into frodo, wandering off and having psychotic suicide-trances when extreme danger is upon him.
prescience is the core of dune mythos over the entire dune series. its like coming up with a cinematically stunning reboot of star wars, remembering to honor even the tiniest details....except the jedi get their abilities by drinking a magic potion and speaking an incantation, pretty much negating the mythos
i admit to delivering my verdict a tad prematurely, since they could still fix that detail in the sequel, but im too experienced in seeing directors pull lazy shit like this.
they could have gotten this one thing right, and f*cked up the rest, and i might have still enjoyed the film.
Hm.. What I'm gathering is that nothing short of a painstakingly faithful GoT-esque series would satisfy some peoples' expectations from the book. And that's fair, but when you get a film adaptation there are always things that have to be lost.
Honestly I think I'd prefer a few solidly packed, epic films (let's hope) to a long, long slog like GoT.
I see Dune tonight...
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI have watched it multiple times now. From my perspective, it's excellent.
So, was the movie bad or good? 😂
But I also went in not knowing anything about the franchise, so I didn't have any preconceived notions about what should be included. As such, I cannot speak to how faithful it was to the novels.