Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, I come from the group of people who loved the Prequel Trilogy A LOT, and had to put up with moronic PT-Haters for over 15 years.
Isnt it hilarious the people complaining about toxic Star Wars fandom now are the very same ones who spent 15+years insulting the hell out of Lucas for the prequels.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Isnt it hilarious the people complaining about toxic Star Wars fandom now are the very same ones who spent 15+years insulting the hell out of Lucas for the prequels.
They got their karma.
They insulted and raged so much at Lucas that Lucas gave up. They didn't know that they had a good, coherent, enjoyable Star Wars stories until Lucas let go of the franchise. Now they got the pile of shit ST. It punished people like me who just wanted Lucas to keep telling his Space Opera stories.
Still...still....Rogue One was a good Star Wars movie. Disney deserves credit. And from what people say, The Mandalorian is good Star Wars material, too. I'll watch it all at once, later.
Originally posted by dadudemon
They got their karma.They insulted and raged so much at Lucas that Lucas gave up. They didn't know that they had a good, coherent, enjoyable Star Wars stories until Lucas let go of the franchise. Now they got the pile of shit ST. It punished people like me who just wanted Lucas to keep telling his Space Opera stories.
Yes. In fact even most those fans who did not enjoy the prequels became such fanatical fans of EU stories which were only possible by being based on the incredible world building and lore expansion that the Prequels gave us.
Originally posted by dadudemonStill...still....Rogue One was a good Star Wars movie. Disney deserves credit. And from what people say, The Mandalorian is good Star Wars material, too. I'll watch it all at once, later.
Yeah, there is some good stuff, and im looking forward to more. Im always looking forward to enjoying more Star Wars. Does not have to be Epic. Only good. Heck id be happy with a kids film if it expanded the Universe in great new ways for the franchise. Even if the film itself isnt that enjoyable for me.
But youre right, Karmas has had its payback. Lucas must be laughing his ass off.
Originally posted by Quincy
I don't know mate, your reaction was a bit more long-winded than mine but if you want specifics, I disagree with this idea that Rian Johnson somehow destroyed Star Wars and tried to correct it or somehow shit on the concept of fandom.
Then explain how Rian's movie respected the fandom and improved the Star Wars universe.
Originally posted by Quincy
Really? We got to see him grow and struggle and overcome. What could be better?
Like many have said, Luke did not grow, he regresses.
Luke refuses to give up on his father, the same father that was a genocidal maniac that killed and hunted the innocent just for the hell of it. That was Luke in his early 20’s and a Jedi Knight.
Now fast forward, he’s this grand master, the most powerful individual in the know galaxy that had a vision of his nephew. His sisters and best friends son turning evil, and what did he do?
Luke dropped the ball. It was actually Luke’s actions that made Kylo the psycho that we all hate.
Originally posted by SquallX
Like many have said, Luke did not grow, he regresses.Luke refuses to give up on his father, the same father that was a genocidal maniac that killed and hunted the innocent just for the hell of it. That was Luke in his early 20’s and a Jedi Knight.
Now fast forward, he’s this grand master, the most powerful individual in the know galaxy that had a vision of his nephew. His sisters and best friends son turning evil, and what did he do?
Luke dropped the ball. It was actually Luke’s actions that made Kylo the psycho that we all hate.
He wasn't a Grandmaster - just a Jedi Master.
Originally posted by dadudemonNot at all. Never once have I said that Rian was solely to blame. Movies are a collaborative effort; of course he didn't put a gun to the Disney executives' heads and force them to give him control of the project. They hired him and gave him the green light.
But Blaxican is missing is the executive committee who approved his work and approach, every step of the way. It was a Disney decision.
But that's irrelevant within the context of the discussion. Even most Rian Johnson apologists agree that Disney largely screwed the pooch in their handling of the franchise.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Not at all. Never once have I said that Rian was solely to blame. Movies are a collaborative effort; of course he didn't put a gun to the Disney executives' heads and force them to give him control of the project. They hired him and gave him the green light.But that's irrelevant within the context of the discussion. Even most Rian Johnson apologists agree that Disney largely screwed the pooch in their handling of the franchise.
My bad. None of that was possible to glean from this part of your post:
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Right, because it's not the director's ****ing job to "make a direct response to nostalgia". The director's job was to make a Star Wars movie. Rian Johnson is/was free to make his own little documentary or youtube piece, deconstructing the franchise and shitting on the concept of fandom. You don't use a major installment of the franchise (literally the 8th movie in the ****ing series)... to shit on the franchise.
Just pretend my post starts with, "What Blaxican did not mention (but definitely knows this), is..."
Originally posted by SquallX
Here’s a question, why the hell would Leia and Han call their kid Ben, after Obiwan Kenodi? That makes no sense to me.I could understand Luke doing it since Ben was his mentor and teacher, but Leia and Han, ****ing stupid.
well they were actually gonna call him Jacen instead 😄 😄
Rise of Skywalker is honestly one of the most bizarre movies I've ever seen. The way it essentially ignores everything that came before it in the trilogy and then acts as if Palpatine being in the movie should require no explanation at all was so strange. It felt almost like a soft reboot of not just TLJ but of TFA as well. It was as if the writers thought that if all the characters in the movie acted like Palpatine being there was a reasonable and unsurprising event then the audience would as well, and not bother asking questions.
I think it's also fascinating now to watch the tug of war between the first, second and third movie of the trilogy and how the visions of both directors were obviously so far apart that the goals of the movies felt almost hostile towards one another. I've honestly never seen anything like it before in a trilogy and in 20 years will probably be a case study as to the consequences of not planning out your film series ahead of time.
Rise of Skywalker was not a boring movie by any means, but it was the most soul less Star Wars movie I have ever seen. It felt, more than any movie in the series before it, including the spinoffs, like it was just checking things off a box and was terrified of doing anything even remotely creative or thought provoking.
It was basically a masturbatory exercise in nostalgia and nothing more. Ironic seeing as the film before it attempted the exact opposite, trying to reject nostalgia for nostalgia's sake and pass the torch to the new characters in the series else the series shall become boring films that act as mechanical vehicles for little more than glorified cameos by aging actors, and that's exactly what this film was.
Originally posted by samhain
Given what the Emperor did during the movie they might as well have brought him back as a Sith ghost or something instead, there'd be slightly less outcry about why at least. And it wouldn't have shit all over the OT.
Yeah good point. At least when you see him as a ghost, you can see thats what he is, and slightly excuse the lack of explanation.
Would also justify
Spoiler:when they couldnt/wouldnt before.
the Jedi ghosts directly intervening in a battle
And youre right that also wouldnt effect the PT/OT at all.
It really only required a little thought but they obviously just couldnt be arsed.