Snoke vs sidious

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Quan lectures on context when it suits him (Khan getting his ass beat by Spock and Uhura), but likes to blatantly troll and ignore blatant context when context doesnt suit him.

Best thing is to ignore him when he does that. Hes literally the only KMC member who claims Superman cant take Batman.

But 99% just ignore him when hes taking his trolling to those levels. Best to do the same thing here with Luke and Rey. (When Rey like a psychotic pulled out a Lightsaber against Luke in a Stick fight LOL)

Quan and zentrex have made a pact....a pact sealed in blood

Ok, sorry was lost in a “moment”

Originally posted by Sinious
No, I don't have to prove why the bridge feat doesn't put Snoke above Sidious. You have to explain why one non combat applicable and near impossible to quantify force feat puts him above the GOAT.

Sheev stalemated Mother Talzin in the new canon, so maybe he's not as far above everyone as he was in legends. And I know he's grown since then, because of Lords of the Sith but it just goes on to show that it's more likely he's not the GOAT.

Regarding what you said in response to DP12: I haven't read what was said before, but I don't understand why you guys assume what Snoke did is the exact same of what Palpatine did with Dooku and Yoda. More importantly, is it stated that Snoke didn't use any form of ritual to pull it off?

Sidious was stated to create a "dark illusion" in Yoda's mind by taking advantage of the bond him and Dooku had in the force. Snoke was stated to take advantage of the bond Rey and Kylo had. (I'll admit this is also a little shaky, since Johnson confirmed Luke used the same power at the end of TLJ, so maybe a pre-existing bond wasn't necesary, as it was Sidious' feat.)

The reason I think Snoke didn't use a ritual is because in Sidious' ritual Dooku actually had to create the dark illusion, whereas when Snoke did it, Kylo didn't even realize it was Snoke.

The most important question is, how do any of this keep Vader from force choking Snoke?

He probably has a greater force barrier. As I said, he used some unknown power to call to the mind of Sidious from the unknown regions, and knew what happened on the second death star before it exploded. This might be proof he's penetrated Vader's and Palpatine's force barriers before. Galan didn't accept it because "it wasn't confirmed", but there's no reason Chuck Wendig would have put that into the book if it wasn't Snoke.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
And protecting from the force is a natural reaction from a force wielder. Why would he keep his wits about him not to try and save his life because he's scared of Sidious? There's a difference between not questioning someone and doing all you can to not get choked.

Sidious was showing him his authority. Resisting his actions, therefore resisting his authority, would have been the worst possible thing to do.

You yourself already admitted he could have likely choked him anyway, so why are we assuming he just had no defenses in place or set them up when he was trying to stop getting choked, and what would it matter?

It wouldn't matter. We really shouldn't be talking about this, of all the comments I made. The reason I think he had no defenses up is because he didn't need the defenses, it's not like Sidious would have actually crippled or killed him.

Plus the Sith training we've seen has a lot to do with the Masters shitting on the students and forcing them to do something.

Not injuring them to a point where they're less useful in the master's grand plan.

A Stormtrooper and one of the most powerful Jedi of all times who then gets his powers amped by being a Sith are just standing in the same room.
Are we to believe that it'd be harder to ragdoll the Stormtrooper than it would be to force choke and levitate the *unnamed* Sith Lord?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
there's holistic arguments to be made for snoke.

Feat wise, clouding the jedi order and unbalancing the galaxy prolly beats Snoke's light year feat.

See, people keep thinking of Sheev as we knew him. This is a different Sheev. He never unbalanced the Galaxy. And without the other uber-powerful feats, there's no reason to think that the clouding of the jedi's mind was due to Sids' force powers rather than the Clone Wars.

Sidious is likely the better combatant anyway by virtue of being virtually unparalleled in swordmanship.

That gives him a fighting chance, but he's still less powerful in the force.

Originally posted by Galan007
The willful ignorance demonstrated in this thread is cringe-worthy, tbh.

I feel like Zentrex has to be trolling at this point.

You have no idea how stupid I can be.

You just admitted you were stupid...I think you admitted you’re a troll

canaon Sids most certainly did unbalance the Force; its stated in the films that the Dark Side clouds everything and the Dark Side has left the Force out of balance and the only dark sider around was Sidious

^ But it's also stated that the Clone Wars was the cause of the jedi losing their way and the dark side growing. This was in TCW mostly, but also in the films.

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
You just admitted you were stupid...I think you admitted you’re a troll

That was my way of saying "You think someone can't possibly be stupid enough to believe this, and thus must be sticking to it for the lols, but, no, I actually do believe this."

No it’s your way of saying you have no credibility

Sorry, your words not mine

Originally posted by Zentrex
^ But it's also stated that the Clone Wars was the cause of the jedi losing their way and the dark side growing. This was in TCW mostly, but also in the films.

Mace explicitly says "I think it is time we inform the Senate that our ability to use the Force is diminished" thats in ATOC; before the Clone Wars

Originally posted by Darth Thor
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Quan lectures on context when it suits him (Khan getting his ass beat by Spock and Uhura), but likes to blatantly troll and ignore blatant context when context doesnt suit him.

Best thing is to ignore him when he does that. Hes literally the only KMC member who claims Superman cant take Batman.

But 99% just ignore him when hes taking his trolling to those levels. Best to do the same thing here with Luke and Rey. (When Rey like a psychotic pulled out a Lightsaber against Luke in a Stick fight LOL)

Luke had the force Snoke didn’t even need a stick or anything to casually disarm her. We see Luke use the force to acquire the stick so he could have used it to disarm her. He fell. Context is Snoke looked way better against Kylo and Rey when they directly made aggressive moves against him than Luke. You ignore the facts left and right to create double standards for Luke who you claimed would be more powerful than Snoke but came up laughably short. I know Star Wars you clearly don’t. You don’t even like it anymore.

Originally posted by relentless1
lmao... quan youre a terrible troll... the guy who constantly likes to use context to explain batman v superman is really gonna ignore context here eh?? obviously Luke was startled by Reys sudden viciousness... at NO POINT in that skirmish did she have the upper hand on him... notice that he had caught himself with the Force before he even touched ground....youre a hypocrite and i dont deal with hypocrites because you people dont have a proper tether to reality so im just wasting my time... fact is the Snoke has no feats to back up your claims that he'd beat Sidious in a fight... your retorts are cringeworthy and devoid of merit, learn to live with the shame of your defeat here pleb

Snoke casually disarming someone whose power right out of the hate resisted Kylo in TFA like she was nothing when we have Luke scared shitless of her raw strength. Snoke stands atop the mountain Sidious was just Yoda’s peer and admitted they’d pale in comparison to Vader down the line. Snoke sits atop the mountain. Sidious just can’t stack up. No comparisons to suggest otherwise. 😂

Originally posted by relentless1
Mace explicitly says "I think it is time we inform the Senate that our ability to use the Force is diminished" thats in ATOC; before the Clone Wars

hm...
So you're saying that Sidious did indeed cloud the mind of all jedi at their peak? Well...you've convinced me. Sidious' mind-clouding feat it superior to Snoke's force bridge.

Also there may well have already been a natural force connection between Kylo and Rey, given Reys power was the Force responding to Kylos power.

So the bridging feat may not be as Uber as some like to make out.

And the dark sides force power is elevated to match the light as explained in TLJ thus diminishing Sidious’ feat. Two can play your silly little games. Force balances itself out there, sport.

Snoke’s force domination over Rey is simply never been seen to this extent ever before in canon.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Also there may well have already been a natural force connection between Kylo and Rey, given Reys power was the Force responding to Kylos power.

So the bridging feat may not be as Uber as some like to make out.

there further proof you seek lies in the fact that Rey and Kylo still had that connect even after Snoke dies at the end of the film when Rey is taking off in the Falcon

Once he bridged them they stayed connected.

even if we got by that Force balancing out theory Quan it still leaves Sidious much stronger than Snoke by default; if theres only two light siders and two dark siders to balance out that automatically makes Snoke weaker because Sidious having to balance out the light of 10,000 Jedi would make him stronger by default no?

Also the Force balancing out theory holds no weight to the Prequels because the Dark side overtook the light... unbalancing the entire equation and before that the balance was heavily in favour of the light so there was no 1 : 1 ratio or balance of light to dark there

Originally posted by relentless1
even if we got by that Force balancing out theory Quan it still leaves Sidious much stronger than Snoke by default; if theres only two light siders and two dark siders to balance out that automatically makes Snoke weaker because Sidious having to balance out the light of 10,000 Jedi would make him stronger by default no?

Also the Force balancing out theory holds no weight to the Prequels because the Dark side overtook the light... unbalancing the entire equation and before that the balance was heavily in favour of the light so there was no 1 : 1 ratio or balance of light to dark there

Rey’s power rose specifically to counter Kylo’s growing power and both were nothing to Snoke’s force power. The guy is in a league of his own with Luke Skywalker as the number 2 guy powerwise at this point.

and Snoke has no battle feats at all, he got killed by his student while reading his mind the whole time... Sidious stomps this pretender

As though yoda or windu wouldn’t have stomped Snoke lol