Bloodlusted JL Superman vs. the MCU

The Tribunal's beredict remains intact!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay it's time to put the final nail to the coffin.

I've analyzed Gubz calc's, the scenes, and ran some corrected calcs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnVsgrjQUn0&t=30s
(I will use this video as source, all timings presented bellow are pertaining this clip)

[B]1. Mach 27.5 calculation:

After analyzing the movie sequence, i realize a MASSIVE error! Doomsday.

Should we follow Gubz methodology, we SHOULD take the time in the scene linear.

Therefore, it took Doomsday 28s (minute 2:25 - 2:53) to cross 480km (according to Gubz)

Should we put that into the velocity formula, DD would be moving at:

61714 Km/h or Mach 50!!!

Now, DD is definetly not Mach 50!!!!! (Should I now expect RetardBro or TheVault, or H1 to come arguing DD is 2x faster than Superman!!? 😂 🙂 )

It's clear that either the timing of the sequence is wrong, or the distance is wrong. One way or another, the outcome is erroneous!

Why should we take Gubz mach 27.5 calculation serious then!? It's clear there is a flaw in Gubz calcs.

2. Distance error:

Okay, initially I took Gubz 480km distance as granted...Then after reviewing the scenes (the explosion scene) I realized there is problem with it.

How familiar are you with the Tsar Bomba mr. Vault? Either way, the Tsar Bomba is the biggest nuke ever detonated, and presumely the biggest ever built. It's size was massive!!!!

A Tsar Bomba is a 50MT bomb, whose fireball radious is about 58km!

Now, put a the fireball's radious into a calculator along with the distance, and you can get the perceived size of such an explosion.

So that's what I did, and:

The perceived size such an explosion would have on the sky is of 7 degrees approx!!! (using 480km as the distance from the spectator)

However if we check the actual footage, anyone can realize that is FAR from being 7 degrees.

https://oneminuteastronomer.com/860/measuring-sky/
(In case you don't know how to measure the degrees of an object in the sky).

Now, this is the Tsar bomba we are talking about! The problem is that it's a bomb, not a missile! The US missiles Trident and Minuteman carry between 100-170KT warheads (10x more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb) not Tsar Bomba's size warheads.

Using the 170KT one for the sake of debating, the size of this would be 0.6 degrees (A bit smaller than what the sun appears to be)

Conclusion: The distance used by Gutz clearly is for some reason mistaken.

Now what is the distance? We can get a clear picture of the size of the explosion in minute 2:35 (Batman's ship passes right infront of the camera showing the explosion radious at the back) i would estimate 21deg (For the sake of debating, since I think its more).

Running calculations, for something like this to happen the explosion should have taken place 10km above the city!!! Now, [B]For the sake of debating lets stick to the Tsar Bomba.

Should the Tsar Bomba had detonated instead, the distance should have been 116km above the city

Clearly, either Gubz calcs are erroneous or DCEU's physics is amazingly stupid!

3. Dear Gravity!:

How funny indeed! Not even myself initially remembered about gravity and how objects accelerate the further they fall.

What this means is that Superman's speed in that scene isn't purely his velocity, but the addition of it to that of the acceleration being supplied by Gravity.

In other words TheVaultDweller, Superman's speed in that scene must not be taken solely as his flying speed

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Now, after doing some intensive research and analyzing the scenes over and over again I finally feel confident to forumulate a proposition.

Here are my numbers!

Using the new distance implied by the scene and supported by physics (and not the hypothetical 480km used by Gubz), here are my numbers.

Distance from the soil to the explosion: 140 km
Time: 1 minute

[I will use Gubz numbers in order to prevent you TheVault to come saying i don't have evidence to back up the timelapse between the cutscene

Using calculations, Superman's speed for that scene is of approximately Mach 7

And note this isn't accounting for the acceleration supplied by gravity, so it could be less!

Now, I respect Gubz and constantly watch his videos for intel. It's not really his fault to get such erroneous calculation.

The scene is pretty messed up. Many wholes and things that can easily make you commit errors

P.S:

Let's keep in mind that the US misiles use way smaller nukes than the Tsar Bomba. [/B]

And as FrothByte presented previously, even a mach 10 Superman would mean Thanos activates a stone.

In other words, Kal loses this one.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Tribunal's beredict remains intact!

And as FrothByte presented previously, even a mach 10 Superman would mean Thanos activates a stone.

In other words, Kal loses this one.

A bullet can reach Thanos before he can activate a stone. A bullet isn't even Mach 2.

Originally posted by h1a8
A bullet can reach Thanos before he can activate a stone. A bullet isn't even Mach 2.

Where do you get that 1 second = 11 days for Superman, it's "human" size Surtur in this thread or that knowledge = 100% of the information?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where do you get that 1 second = 11 days for Superman, it's "human" size Surtur in this thread or that knowledge = 100% of the information?

Why are you trolling?
No one is claiming 1 second = 11 days for Superman.
Not me or anyone else.
Op stated that full sized Surtur is being used.
Knowledge =Character’s capability by default =/= 100% of the information about a character (like their children, etc).
Op clarified this as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
A bullet can reach Thanos before he can activate a stone. A bullet isn't even Mach 2.

Not when Thanos gets to choose his starting point anywhere in NY.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where do you get that 1 second = 11 days for Superman, it's "human" size Surtur in this thread or that knowledge = 100% of the information?

A bullet? I doubt Thanos can be hit by a bullet.

And we were talking about the starting distance which is 15km.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why are you trolling?
No one is claiming 1 second = 11 days for Superman.
Not me or anyone else.

Originally posted by h1a8
Let's assume that a microsecond is like a second to Superman. That means 1 second is like 11 days. There is no way in Hell Thanos is moving a centimeter before Superman devastates the entire team.

And this is Normal Surtur, which can beat beaten by removing his crown.

Superman can just rip the gauntlet off and own the team with ease.

Originally posted by h1a8
Op stated that full sized Surtur is being used.

Originally posted by h1a8
They are statues to him. They are not indestructible at all. And this is human sized Surtur.

Superman's strength is enough to bypass their durability. Superman's hv could wipe out most of them.

Knowledge =Character's capability by default =/= 100% of the information about a character (like their children, etc).
Op clarified this as well.

1. Prove it
2. OP isn't allowed to "clarify" once a thread makes it past the first few pages.

Impediment wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 07:37 PM:
Unfortunately, no. The thread is well beyond cemented at thirteen pages. Feel free to make another thread. A 2.0, if you will.

Originally posted by Silent Master
1. Prove it
2. OP isn't allowed to "clarify" once a thread makes it past the first few pages.

There was no claim in the past. But most importantly, there is no claim NOW.
Why ask someone to prove something they are not claiming at the moment? And how does that help the thread figure out who wins?

2. Op can clarify at ANY TIME. Op can’t change the stipulations though.
Clarify =/= change the stips

Also the OP didn’t need to clarify. “Knowledge” means to know the character’s capabilities at the very minimum. You are the only idiot that disagree with this. Even Josh and others understand this.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not when Thanos gets to choose his starting point anywhere in NY.

Ok so you are going with the new stipulations?
Silent doesn’t want to. But we can.

So if Superman goes after Thanos then what do you propose what will happen.
Will Thanos knows that Superman is going to go after him first? Remember they don’t know that Superman knows everything about them (he seen every movie).

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok so you are going with the new stipulations?
Silent doesn’t want to. But we can.

So if Superman goes after Thanos then what do you propose what will happen.
Will Thanos knows that Superman is going to go after him first? Remember they don’t know that Superman knows everything about them (he seen every movie).

He knows he is facing a dangerous foe.

He could activate any stone.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why are you trolling?
No one is claiming 1 second = 11 days for Superman.
Not me or anyone else.

Originally posted by h1a8
Let's assume that a microsecond is like a second to Superman. That means 1 second is like 11 days. There is no way in Hell Thanos is moving a centimeter before Superman devastates the entire team.

And this is Normal Surtur, which can beat beaten by removing his crown.

Superman can just rip the gauntlet off and own the team with ease.

Originally posted by h1a8
Op stated that full sized Surtur is being used.

Originally posted by h1a8
They are statues to him. They are not indestructible at all. And this is human sized Surtur.

Superman's strength is enough to bypass their durability. Superman's hv could wipe out most of them.

Knowledge =Character's capability by default =/= 100% of the information about a character (like their children, etc).
Op clarified this as well.

1. Prove it
2. OP isn't allowed to "clarify" once a thread makes it past the first few pages.

Impediment wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 07:37 PM:
Unfortunately, no. The thread is well beyond cemented at thirteen pages. Feel free to make another thread. A 2.0, if you will.

Originally posted by Silent Master
1. Prove it
2. OP isn't allowed to "clarify" once a thread makes it past the first few pages.

That message means absolutely nothing. You didn’t post the question you proposed to him. You could have talked about CHANGING THE STIPS (not being clear on already given stips). After all, you are an expert at creating strawmen and moving goalposts.

Anyway. MCU don’t have prep and can’t formulate a strategy before the bell. They also don’t know that Superman knows each of their capabilities and that he has prep.

Originally posted by Silent Master
1. Prove it
2. OP isn't allowed to "clarify" once a thread makes it past the first few pages.

Originally posted by Silent Master
1. Prove it
2. OP isn't allowed to "clarify" once a thread makes it past the first few pages.

Good job Silent! I also forgot about that rule 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
Where did Impediment post that?

Impediment (MvF rules)

7) When the thread starter makes a new thread, it is very important to cement the conditions of the scenario in the first few posts. This is to avoid confusion and frustration among the other posters. It will not be acceptable for the thread starter to randomly change the conditions of the thread at random intervals. Once the settings/weapons/gear/handicaps/abilities/etc have been cemented in the first few posts of the thread, that is how they will stay . Therefore, be very sure and for certain of how you want your thread to be constructed.

It would do you good to read the rules my 'Retarded bro'

Originally posted by h1a8
That message means absolutely nothing. You didn't post the question you proposed to him. You could have talked about CHANGING THE STIPS (not being clear on already given stips). After all, you are an expert at creating strawmen and moving goalposts.

Are you claiming that I lied to or mislead Imp?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Impediment (MvF rules)

It would do you good to read the rules my 'Retarded bro'

Because the rules state that changing the stips of the match are not allowed, but it says nothing about clarifying the stips if there is some confusion regarding what they mean.

And if Impediment has a problem with that? Frankly, phuck him. It is idiotic and more to the point cowardly to try to dismiss the thread maker's clarification on the stips on a technicality just because they don't favor your side in some way. Go on and report me for saying that you limp-wristed gelatinous gerbil-dick. 👆

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you claiming that I lied to or mislead Imp?

This thread is a shitshow of elite level trolling all around. Kudos guys! I have smiled at it.