Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
What the hell son!?The entirety of CA:WS was about Steve trying to reason with Bucky! He even ended up saving Bucky's ass and almost sacrificing his by the end of the movie!
Should Cap have fought Bucky the way he fought IM in CW, Bucky would have been obliterated.
I guess you haven't watched WS then? Show me where Cap tried to reason with Bucky on the bridge fight.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I guess you haven't watched WS then? Show me where Cap tried to reason with Bucky on the bridge fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PObYPk1vK6k
First seconds, that's clearly reasoning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VEBRrUp0vg
Damn if the second scene isn't about reasoning, then you've got problems kid!!!
If you claim that CA was fighting Bucky seriously then I can safely claim IM was fighting Cap seriously! 😂
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PObYPk1vK6kFirst seconds, that's clearly reasoning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VEBRrUp0vg
Damn if the second scene isn't about reasoning, then you've got problems kid!!!
If you claim that CA was fighting Bucky seriously then I can safely claim IM was fighting Cap seriously! 😂
That's not the bridge fight. Try again. Do you even know what I'm talking about?
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's not the bridge fight. Try again. Do you even know what I'm talking about?
Maybe you should specify yourself son, cause that is clearly a bridge inside the Helicarrier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPOl6EjbWg
Is this the scene you are talking about Froth? Cause, it's pretty clear Captain America defeated Bucky in that scene 😂
But thanks for proving my claim.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Maybe you should specify yourself son, cause that is clearly a bridge inside the Helicarrier.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPOl6EjbWg
Is this the scene you are talking about Froth? Cause, it's pretty clear Captain America defeated Bucky in that scene 😂
But thanks for proving my claim.
So you admit that Cap didn't reason with Bucky in that scene?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thank you for admitting you were wrong. I'm claiming nobody won that fight, nor did anyone seem more dominant. Fight ended unresolved.
Please! Then you are blind, cause by the end of the fight Bucky was unarmed and unmasked whilst Cap was standing up with his shield ready for round 2!
Good, cause this proves that Cable will be unarmed by Cap 😂
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Please! Then you are blind, cause by the end of the fight Bucky was unarmed and unmasked whilst Cap was standing up with his shield ready for round 2!Good, cause this proves that Cable will be unarmed by Cap 😂
So WS being unmasked is him being defeated? Lol. You've got some weird definitions. Bucky wasn't harmed or injured, wasn't even breathing hard.
Also, you're the one who's blind, or did you not see the part where WS still had a gun and pointed it at Cap before he got tag-teamed by Falcon and Widow?
Originally posted by FrothByte
So WS being unmasked is him being defeated? Lol. You've got some weird definitions. Bucky wasn't harmed or injured, wasn't even breathing hard.Also, you're the one who's blind, or did you not see the part where WS still had a gun and pointed it at Cap before he got tag-teamed by Falcon and Widow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPOl6EjbWg
Minute 3:02. He lost his machine gun, and was unmasked. Cap was standing just find with his shield in hand. That's a clear sign of superiority!
The moment Cap saw his face he stopped fighting.
Either way, Bucky isn't on Cap's league. Cap manage to held his own against IM which bucky couldn't. That automatically puts Cap above Bucky.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPOl6EjbWgMinute 3:02. He lost his machine gun, and was unmasked. Cap was standing just find with his shield in hand. That's a clear sign of superiority!
The moment Cap saw his face he stopped fighting.
Either way, Bucky isn't on Cap's league. Cap manage to held his own against IM which bucky couldn't. That automatically puts Cap above Bucky.
And at 3:15 Bucky pointed a gun at Cap. Proving that he wasn't disarmed. So again, you are mistaken.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And at 3:15 Bucky pointed a gun at Cap. Proving that he wasn't disarmed. So again, you are mistaken.
A pistol which he had hidden in his vest. He lost his machine gun and knife. Should the fight had continue, he would have lost that pistol as well. 😂
Cap wins, stop swimming against the current boy.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
A pistol which he had hidden in his vest. He lost his machine gun and knife. Should the fight had continue, he would have lost that pistol as well. 😂Cap wins, stop swimming against the current boy.
In short, I had just proven you wrong on a bunch of things you said like:
1. Cap was always reasoning with Bucky
2. Cap had completely disarmed Bucky
3. Cap always has his shield
4. Cap defeated Bucky in the bridge fight
These were all points you were using to say Cap defeats Cable in a weapons fight. And after getting your arguments utterly destroyed, you just go "Oh well, Cap wins anyway"
Originally posted by FrothByte
In short, I had just proven you wrong on a bunch of things you said like:1. Cap was always reasoning with Bucky
2. Cap had completely disarmed Bucky
3. Cap always has his shield
4. Cap defeated Bucky in the bridge fightThese were all points you were using to say Cap defeats Cable in a weapons fight. And after getting your arguments utterly destroyed, you just go "Oh well, Cap wins anyway"
In short.
1. You cant be specific
2. prove I said COMPLETELY
3. Prove I said that Cap always had his shield.
4. He did. The fact that you cant grasp Caps superiority in that fight is your problem son.
P.S: Cap defeated Bucky in the Helicarrier despite him being emotional.
Conclusion: Cap beats Bucky and Cable. Youve lost.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
In short.1. You cant be specific
2. prove I said COMPLETELY
3. Prove I said that Cap always had his shield.
4. He did. The fact that you cant grasp Caps superiority in that fight is your problem son.P.S: Cap defeated Bucky in the Helicarrier despite him being emotional.
Conclusion: Cap beats Bucky and Cable. Youve lost.
1. This is what you said, "The entirety of CA:WS was about Steve trying to reason with Bucky!" - which you clearly were wrong about but are too arrogant to admit it.
2. This is what you said, "by the end of the fight Bucky was unarmed and unmasked" - by the end of the fight, I proved that Bucky had a pistol pointed at Cap. Again, you were proven wrong but are too arrogant to admit it. Hint: You aren't 'unarmed' if you're still holding a weapon.
3. You're right, you didn't say "always have his shield". So am I to assume you agree that Cap loses his shield every now and then during a fight?
4. Both of them are standing at the end of the fight, both completely in shape to continue. Bucky is not harmed and isn't breathing hard. Bucky points a gun and gets ready to shoot Cap when he is interrupted by Falcon. What in that scenario shows that Cap won?
Originally posted by FrothByte
1. This is what you said, "The entirety of CA:WS was about Steve trying to reason with Bucky!" - which you clearly were wrong about but are too arrogant to admit it.2. This is what you said, "by the end of the fight Bucky was unarmed and unmasked" - by the end of the fight, I proved that Bucky had a pistol pointed at Cap. Again, you were proven wrong but are too arrogant to admit it. Hint: You aren't 'unarmed' if you're still holding a weapon.
3. You're right, you didn't say "always have his shield". So am I to assume you agree that Cap loses his shield every now and then during a fight?
4. Both of them are standing at the end of the fight, both completely in shape to continue. Bucky is not harmed and isn't breathing hard. Bucky points a gun and gets ready to shoot Cap when he is interrupted by Falcon. What in that scenario shows that Cap won?
1. Go watch the movie again. From the moment Steve realized it was Bucky he stopped being serious. And still, Cap defeated Bucky in the end, ergo you are wrong.
2. Thanks for admitting I never said completely ergo you are wrong.
3. Concession accepted. He will still beat up Cable son.
4. Cap was startled to discover it was his friend the one under the mask. He stopped fighting, otherwise he would have defeated Bucky like he did by the end of the movie.
Cap wins. Just accept it.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. Go watch the movie again. From the moment Steve realized it was Bucky he stopped being serious. And still, Cap defeated Bucky in the end, ergo you are wrong.2. Thanks for admitting I never said completely ergo you are wrong.
3. Concession accepted. He will still beat up Cable son.
4. Cap was startled to discover it was his friend the one under the mask. He stopped fighting, otherwise he would have defeated Bucky like he did by the end of the movie.
Cap wins. Just accept it.
1. Just to clarify then, you're now saying that Cap was only reasoning with Bucky when he realized it was Bucky, not throughout the entire movie as you were originally claiming?
2. When a person is "unarmed", they are COMPLETELY weaponless, otherwise you are still armed. Maybe next time learn what words actually mean first before using them in a debate.
3. I noticed you side stepped my question. Again I ask, do you agree that Cap sometimes loses his shield during a fight?
4. I'm still waiting for you to tell me exactly how Bucky was defeated in that bridge fight, not what you believe would have happened. What sign was there that Bucky was defeated when he had a gun pointed at Cap?
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Over the course of the fight bucky lost his machine gun, knife, and grenade launcher. How is cap the one on the chopping block for losing his shield when he recovers it every three seconds?
Because no-one here is claiming that Bucky can beat Cable with full weaponry. However, what some people (Josh) is claiming is that Cap w/ his shield can defeat a fully armed Cable. That's why it's Cap that is being put under the microscope, not WS.