Originally posted by FrothByte
Because no-one here is claiming that Bucky can beat Cable with full weaponry. However, what some people (Josh) is claiming is that Cap w/ his shield can defeat a fully armed Cable. That's why it's Cap that is being put under the microscope, not WS.
He disarmed Bucky. He will disarm Cable.
The difference here is that Bucky is a better fighter than Cable.
Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Just to clarify then, you're now saying that Cap was only reasoning with Bucky when he realized it was Bucky, not throughout the entire movie as you were originally claiming?2. When a person is "unarmed", they are COMPLETELY weaponless, otherwise you are still armed. Maybe next time learn what words actually mean first before using them in a debate.
3. I noticed you side stepped my question. Again I ask, do you agree that Cap sometimes loses his shield during a fight?
4. I'm still waiting for you to tell me exactly how Bucky was defeated in that bridge fight, not what you believe would have happened. What sign was there that Bucky was defeated when he had a gun pointed at Cap?
Wont spend more time here.
Cap defeated Bucky. He will defeat Cable.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Because no-one here is claiming that Bucky can beat Cable with full weaponry. However, what some people (Josh) is claiming is that Cap w/ his shield can defeat a fully armed Cable. That's why it's Cap that is being put under the microscope, not WS.
But doesn't that say something about cap's ability to disarm opponents with multiple weapons? It seems like it shows that he would be able to strip cable of his arsenal if he was able to the same to bucky
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
But doesn't that say something about cap's ability to disarm opponents with multiple weapons? It seems like it shows that he would be able to strip cable of his arsenal if he was able to the same to bucky
The caveat here is that Cable is not WS and they should not be treated interchangeably. Cable's weapons, for one, are far more advanced than WS's weapons and behave differently. For example, how exactly is Cap going to disarm Cable from his shielding device? His rifle has a larger area of effect that might be big enough that Cap can't block the entire blast. Or it might be strong enough to knock Cap off his feat despite blocking it.
There's also the fact that Cable can telekinetically call back his weapons to him.
Originally posted by FrothByte
There's also the fact that Cable can telekinetically call back his weapons to him.
Yep. At one point during the prison scene, he even telekinetically yanks the gun right out of Wade's grip and back into his own hands. So, disarming him for any length of time is easier said than done.
Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Just to clarify then, you're now saying that Cap was only reasoning with Bucky when he realized it was Bucky, not throughout the entire movie as you were originally claiming?2. When a person is "unarmed", they are COMPLETELY weaponless, otherwise you are still armed. Maybe next time learn what words actually mean first before using them in a debate.
3. I noticed you side stepped my question. Again I ask, do you agree that Cap sometimes loses his shield during a fight?
4. I'm still waiting for you to tell me exactly how Bucky was defeated in that bridge fight, not what you believe would have happened. What sign was there that Bucky was defeated when he had a gun pointed at Cap?
Just to prove you wrong again.
1. When I said Cap was trying to reason with Bucky through the entire movie it was figuratively. Not literal. But it seems your brain can't grasp such concepts.
2. Bucky was disarmed from his knife and machine gun, that was my point.
3. I never disagreed! lol
4. He was disarmed, unmasked and Cap stopped fighting because he discover it was his friend he had just beaten up.
I can keep on your folly all day long Froth! Just trying to prove you that!
Now, I wont, simply because Cap defeated Bucky by the end of WS. In other words, no argument you can bring will change the fact that Cap is better.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The caveat here is that Cable is not WS and they should not be treated interchangeably. Cable's weapons, for one, are far more advanced than WS's weapons and behave differently. For example, how exactly is Cap going to disarm Cable from his shielding device? His rifle has a larger area of effect that might be big enough that Cap can't block the entire blast. Or it might be strong enough to knock Cap off his feat despite blocking it.There's also the fact that Cable can telekinetically call back his weapons to him.
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Loki's scepter > Cable's weapon
IM's weapons > Cable's weapon
Thor's hammer > Cable's weapon
The fact that Cable has a better weapon than Bucky doesn't mean he is defeating Cap. Specially when considering that Bucky is a better fighter than Cable.
The moment Cap gets close to Cable he wins this!
Sorry to break your illusions son.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Just to prove you wrong again.1. When I said Cap was trying to reason with Bucky through the entire movie it was figuratively. Not literal. But it seems your brain can't grasp such concepts.
These were your exact words:
"Winter Soldier is a better fighter than Cable. And, remember Cap never fought him seriously."
Doesn't sound figurative to me. Seems to me you were caught saying something incorrect but instead of being an adult about it and admitting your fault you had to lie through your teeth and now keep trying to weasel out of it.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
2. Bucky was disarmed from his knife and machine gun, that was my point.
You said he was unarmed. Unarmed means you are completely weaponless. Again, if you were mistaken in your use of the word unarmed then just admit that you were mistaken. There's a difference between "disarmed" and "unarmed".
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
3. I never disagreed! lol
So you agree that Cap loses his shield during a fight, which means there are times he can't defend himself with it. Glad to see you agreeing with common sense for once.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
4. He was disarmed, unmasked and Cap stopped fighting because he discover it was his friend he had just beaten up.
Disarmed but not unarmed. Unmasked but uninjured and unharmed. Again, not even breathing hard and was perfectly willing to continue fighting. Throwing someone to the ground who rolls and comes back up to his feet is not "beating them up". You really need to learn the english language if you want to continue debating.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[B] I can keep on your folly all day long Froth! Just trying to prove you that!Now, I wont, simply because Cap defeated Bucky by the end of WS. In other words, no argument you can bring will change the fact that Cap is better.
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WS is not Cable. WS does not use the same weaponry as Cable. WS is not even part of this conversation. Red herring much?
Originally posted by FrothByteWS is not Cable. WS does not use the same weaponry as Cable. WS is not even part of this conversation. Red herring much?
Will just obmit all the BS you brought previously since am not here to correct your misinterpretations and lack of sense.
Cable isn't WS. The only reason Bucky was keeping up with Cap is because he is a top elite fighter, not due to him having weapons.
Mjolnir, Scepter, IM, and Ultron >>>>>> Cable's rifle.
You lose again.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Will just obmit all the BS you brought previously since am not here to correct your misinterpretations and lack of sense.Cable isn't WS. The only reason Bucky was keeping up with Cap is because he is a top elite fighter, not due to him having weapons.
Mjolnir, Scepter, IM, and Ultron >>>>>> Cable's rifle.
You lose again.
Like I said, coward's way out. You know you can't argue against the points I raised, specifically the ones that proved you were lying. So you ignore them and hope you can get away with it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Like I said, coward's way out. You know you can't argue against the points I raised, specifically the ones that proved you were lying. So you ignore them and hope you can get away with it.
Concession accepted. You are avoiding the real debate here by trying to mislead me into debating your lack of common sense.
Won't happen son!
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Concession accepted. You are avoiding the real debate here by trying to mislead me into debating your lack of common sense.Won't happen son!
Don't know what "lack of common sense" has to do with pointing out that you literally lied about what you said. Or how you don't even know what "unarmed" means.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Don't know what "lack of common sense" has to do with pointing out that you literally lied about what you said. Or how you don't even know what "unarmed" means.
Debating is over it seems.
Thanks for proving my point. Avoiding the topic has always been your speciality 👆 😂