DOS Doomsday vs. Thor and Savage Hulk

Originally posted by carver9
None of us have to be fans... doesnt take away from what happened.

Originally posted by carver9

Iirc, she poisoned Monica with them and she used them as tracers. Then the blades depowered Hulk. Versatility.

As for Hulk, that's some misleading statements you are bringing up, it didin't depower Hulk, he was simply knocked out by the attack.

Originally posted by carver9

Look at the scene, they are completely different. I honestly shouldnt have to explain it. Just look at it. Cap isnt covered in Black energy.

Cap is COVERED in black energy, my scan even marks the places where black energy is present, don't play blind, please.

Originally posted by carver9

Lol... Corvus did not have the weight of the star on him and he didnt tank anything. He was leaking from his face. The scenes are completely different.

There is nothing different, 2 attacks get stuck on Corvus, we see BOTH VIOLET GLOW AND BLACK ENERGY covering him, and he obviously tanked that, my scan once again has MARKED the places where black energy is present on Corvus, playing blind is not gonna work here. But yeah he didn't have the weight of the star just like Hulk didn't, it was a metaphor, nothing more.

Of course the scenes are different, but the effects and usage is same, they get speared, they get violet and black energy glow covering them.

Originally posted by carver9

The blades passed through Cap. The blades were stuck inside of Hulk and bright of them had black energy surrounding their bodies WHILE THE BLADES WERE STUCK INSIDE OF THEM. The scenes are not comparable.

The scenes are comparable, look at the scan properly, 1 blade was stuck on Cap, the other 2 were on Corvus, both had violet and black energy glow thus the effects of the blad were present, yet they tanked it.

Originally posted by carver9

Look at the scene again please. Hulk is stabbed by three blades that gets stuck inside of him. Black energy starts forming around his entire body. He falls to the ground WITH THE BLADES STILL STUCK INSIDE OF HIM. Did this happen in the Cap scene?

Yep, Cap got 1 blade stuck inside him and we even see black energy forming as well, same with Corvus except he had 2 blades stuck in him as well as black energy.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... its powered by a star? Hilarious.

Oh you're right. That's not even powered by a star, just forged from a star...

There is not a single argument left to say it has the weight of a star. That was definitly hyperbolic.

It's clear she activated an ability of the spear. She mentions it hear when she talks of a "denser" net.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111164621/5656311-star+1.jpg

Whether it was the weight of a star is debatable. It didn't look like he powered through it at all. More a durability feat because he was pinned down for the most part until she retrieved the spear. Another thing is it sounded hyperboloic. But it was clear there was some kind of gravity manipulation of some sort.

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
True it doesn't take away that the whole weight of the star is but traditional showcase of hyperbole.

Context, you are forgetting context, the reason Monica was poisoned was because the energy which blade applies consists of dark photons which counteracts with Monica's body's photons, thus causing painful side-effects on her body. But overall the blade has no unique posioning ability.

As for Hulk, that's some misleading statements you are bringing up, it didin't depower Hulk, he was simply knocked out by the attack.

Cap is COVERED in black energy, my scan even marks the places where black energy is present, don't play blind, please.

There is nothing different, 2 attacks get stuck on Corvus, we see BOTH VIOLET GLOW AND BLACK ENERGY covering him, and he obviously tanked that, my scan once again has MARKED the places where black energy is present on Corvus, playing blind is not gonna work here. But yeah he didn't have the weight of the star just like Hulk didn't, it was a metaphor, nothing more.

Of course the scenes are different, but the effects and usage is same, they get speared, they get violet and black energy glow covering them.

The scenes are comparable, look at the scan properly, 1 blade was stuck on Cap, the other 2 were on Corvus, both had violet and black energy glow thus the effects of the blad were present, yet they tanked it.

Yep, Cap got 1 blade stuck inside him and we even see black energy forming as well, same with Corvus except he had 2 blades stuck in him as well as black energy.

This is borderline crazy. The inaccuracy of a lot of things you are saying is mind boggling. Her blade depowered him which is the reason Banner asked "damn, how did you do that".

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111164621/5656313-star+3.jpg

I'm not as patient as anyone else on here going back and forth on obvious wrong. When you say one thing wrong, it just ruins the experience of me wanting to debate against you.

lol classic case of reading into something that you want to see. 👆 this is what happens when we die on a hill of literal interpretations in comic books.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's clear she activated an ability of the spear. She mentions it hear when she talks of a "denser" net.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111164621/5656311-star+1.jpg

There is no ability to activate, it's automatic, as showcased by every time someone gets hit by that spear.

As for that density net, it has nothing to do with Spear's ability overall, it's more like as in the energy spear to be tough enough to pierce Hulk, that's what it means by denser net. But overall it has little value in conversation.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Whether it was the weight of a star is debatable. It didn't look like he powered through it at all.

There is nothing to debate, both Cap and Corvus tanked that attack, 2 charaters with average strength and durability, if it truly induced effect of star, they would be dead or at least KO'd.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

More a durability feat because he was pinned down for the most part until she retrieved the spear. Another thing is it sounded hyperboloic. But it was clear there was some kind of gravity manipulation of some sort.

More or less accurate, though the feat is unquantifiable, when you have both Cap and Corvus tanking the same attack as well.

Originally posted by carver9
This is borderline crazy. The inaccuracy of a lot of things you are saying is mind boggling.

The Irony of old still stands strong.

Originally posted by carver9

Her blade depowered him which is the reason Banner asked "damn, how did you do that".

You are reading way too much into it, THERE IS NO STATEMENT confirming that she depowered Hulk, show me at least one confirmation, - Banner was simply suprised that Hulk was KO'd, as it is not such easy task to accomplish, that's why he asked "how did you do that"

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not as patient as anyone else on here going back and forth on obvious wrong. When you say one thing wrong, it just ruins the experience of me not wanting to debate against you.

Glad we agree on obvious wrong part, because so far the evidence supports my argumental position.

Also, no offence, but just because you say my argumental side is wrong, doesn't automatically make it wrong, i and even RW have presented evidence to back up our claims, simple as that really.

Ruining experience? How exactly? By correcting that your position is incorrect one?

When has Hulk been ko'd without Banner also being ko'd though?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's clear she activated an ability of the spear. She mentions it hear when she talks of a "denser" net.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111164621/5656311-star+1.jpg

Whether it was the weight of a star is debatable. It didn't look like he powered through it at all. More a durability feat because he was pinned down for the most part until she retrieved the spear. Another thing is it sounded hyperboloic. But it was clear there was some kind of gravity manipulation of some sort.

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Is this where Black Panther's shields tank the weight of a sun?

She doesn't use it all the time.

It's like saying that every ki blast is a kamehameha, lol.

Originally posted by Damborgson
When has Hulk been ko'd without Banner also being ko'd though?

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Just for LoB:

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
There is no ability to activate, it's automatic, as showcased by every time someone gets hit by that spear.

As for that density net, it has nothing to do with Spear's ability overall, it's more like as in the energy spear to be tough enough to pierce Hulk, that's what it means by denser net. But overall it has little value in conversation.

And this bit with the spear tough enough to pierce the Hulk doesn't really jive with what happened.

Btw Odinson has taken a hit on the face and it was never an automatic thing with this star thingy.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c9A9I386RyU/WOzYuxTKUUI/AAAAAAADJxY/i7WhkCTi7tMbMcF8XU8xSsLQH-KU6wgAACLcB/s1600/84_14.jpg

This is all we have ever seen as an explanation - and even then it was false, lol:

When thrown, the spear transforms into three tracers of black light. These cannot be evaded:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

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Just for LoB:

The first one was 30 seconds later, which is how long the guy was out for I assume from the groggy speaking

The second one has always been ambiguous, because it was right at that time that Thor broke the hold on the Hulk.

Lol I was kidding, Thor bag 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Beating Hulk is easier than I thought. Might as well use tasers.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol I was kidding, Thor bag 👆

Oh. 😂

You suck at that 😐

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Disagree. Maybe if a similar thing was mentioned with the hits on Cap and Corvus, I would be more inclined to agree with u. All signs point to gravity manipulation. She mentions "weight of a star".

Again, you are assuming nothing but headcanon, with no confirmation to yours about grav manipulation, i already explained that DENSER NET means making her spear tough enough to PIERCE Hulk, it has nothing to do with the effects that black energy does to the opponent, never was stated to do, nor showcased, simple as that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

And this bit with the spear tough enough to pierce the Hulk doesn't really jive with what happened.

Except it does, making something denser means making something more durable that's the definition of making something more dense, the only logical explanation is that Hulk's tough guy thus it is needed a more durable weapon to pierce him, simple as that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Btw Odinson has taken a hit on the face and it was never an automatic thing with this star thingy.

Different writer with different interpretation of how powers work, show me SAME WRITER doing the same and you would have a point here, on top of that different artists portray effects differently as well (there is no violet glow as well there), so let's not forget that.

But anyways the whole star thingy was nothing but pure hyperbole, Cap tanked it, Corvus tanked it, and as you showcased Thor tanked it as well, same with Panther.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
She doesn't use it all the time.

It's like saying that every ki blast is a kamehameha, lol.