DOS Doomsday vs. Thor and Savage Hulk

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Ah for ****'s sake

This isn't a complicated topic. She changed the ****ing weight against Hulk. Real simple like that. "Imo it was hyperbole", doesn't matter. She said it, whether it was hyperbole or not, we know that specific attack was meant to be heavy.

We don't know enough in depth details about how the spear works so we can assume it works by the least contradictory way possible. By being able to do whatever the **** Proxima wants it to do.

And there's no ****ing way a LoB tier pussy like Proxima is dragging around a stellar weight spear and chucking it at lightspeed and what have you.

It splits, it makes nets, it does stuff. Why can't it change weight mid throw and shit?

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THIS is the bran i've missed. 😍

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Wait a second, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed your position actually had some merit. Here it turns out you're saying it got denser because she split the spears into smaller spears and her talking about the weight of the star was just added for zero reason at all?

Am I correct on this?

Yeah, it was simply her boasting about it, nothing much though.

She changed the volume of spear, yep.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

Also the weight of her original unchanged staff that she carries around is what held Hulk down I guess?

Not the staff, but the violet and black energy.

The density part was merely to make it durable enough to pierce Hulk, simple.

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Yeah, it was simply her boasting about it, nothing much though.

She changed the volume of spear, yep.

Not the staff, but the violet and black energy.

The density part was merely to make it durable enough to pierce Hulk, simple.

But the violet black energy was said to be the weight of a star holding him down.

So what do we conclude from that? Naturally we conclude it has SOMETHING to do with weight, no? It wasn't said that purple drink african american energy was holding Hulk down, it said that WEIGHT was holding Hulk down.

"Hyperbole, Cap and Corvus"

Ok, but in Hulk's case again, weight was specifically said to be holding him down. How do you explain that?

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
The density part was merely to make it durable enough to pierce Hulk, simple.

So it's a pure coincidence she mentions the weight of the star pressing on him on the very next page?

C'mon...

well, were it the ACTUAL weight of a star, hulk would have been driven straight through the earth, were it the ACTUAL weight of a star, we'd have seen gravity around hulk being affected--dramatically. soooo.... we could use the "it's comicszzz!1!" argument, but that can be used for everything. not sure what the deal is with just saying it was REALLY heavy. /shrug

Could be. It could also be a localized thing that affected just the area he was occupying and buffers that prevented the general area from being wrecked.

yeah, but see the gymnastics necessary to make things fit the literal description? seems easier to just say it was really heavy. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, but see the gymnastics necessary to make things fit the literal description? seems easier to just say it was really heavy. /shrug

When you have a BazieCarv showdown, neither side is 100 percent correct. You just have to wade through and use what makes sense to people on that level.

Also, anything heavy enough to hold down Hulk in the first place should have him tumbling through the planet, so a sun needing to do that doesn't exactly work.

Basically, density was coupled with mass in the scene, and whatever was holding down Hulk was incredibly heavy. And that's factoring in that it may be hyperbole. Those are the facts. Denying them makes you look like a public *edit with forgotten space* cock sucker to a group of nuns.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, but see the gymnastics necessary to make things fit the literal description? seems easier to just say it was really heavy. /shrug

Sorry. Low hanging fruit.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Ah for ****'s sake

This isn't a complicated topic. She changed the ****ing weight against Hulk. Real simple like that. "Imo it was hyperbole", doesn't matter. She said it, whether it was hyperbole or not, we know that specific attack was meant to be heavy.

We don't know enough in depth details about how the spear works so we can assume it works by the least contradictory way possible. By being able to do whatever the **** Proxima wants it to do.

And there's no ****ing way a LoB tier pussy like Proxima is dragging around a stellar weight spear and chucking it at lightspeed and what have you.

It splits, it makes nets, it does stuff. Why can't it change weight mid throw and shit?

Basically this. ^

The discussion is rather pointless. Even if people agree she made it really ****ing heavy, it doesn't mean that the only thing that can get Hulk on his knees is the weight of a star.

Something something truckstop bathroom.

Where do I turn?

The left, where no Carver is right, or the right, where Maz isn't?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Basically this. ^

The discussion is rather pointless. Even if people agree she made it really ****ing heavy, it doesn't mean that the only thing that can get Hulk on his knees is the weight of a star.

Something something truckstop bathroom.

Within his realm but like everything in comics, not something needed to accomplish similar results. It also incapacitated him as well anyway. Whether he would have eventually broke free or not, it did the job.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, but see the gymnastics necessary to make things fit the literal description? seems easier to just say it was really heavy. /shrug

Then you have to look at this from ALL directions like a Celestial standing on Earth (while being the size of a planet) without it crumbling. Bench pressing earth weights while ON earth. Pushing Earth without it crumbling. The temperature from Gladiator heat vision on earth being as hot as the sun. Owen and Beyonder fighting each other in a room hitting with enough power to destroy universes but does nothing to the room. This is pretty simple. Let's not make it harder than what it is. Superman laid a key that weighs a million tons on a rock and the only thing it did was leave a dent mark. No!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where do I turn?

The left, where no Carver is right, or the right, where Maz isn't?

My presence irritates you (I smile at this), I dont think you'll ever agree with me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where do I turn?

The left, where no Carver is right, or the right, where Maz isn't?

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
I don't know, maybe because they are SMALLER as well, you had 1 spear which transformed into 3 smaller version of it while Proxima talked about density boost, you achieve that effect, either by getting more mass, or by making volume smaller, and if the volume gets smaller, than usually objects become smaller as well.

That's just circular reasoning.
If I take a Lego tower, and split it into it's constituent bricks (i.e. smaller pieces).....I'm not suddenly having a dense Lego brick, lol.

Voltron's lions don't suddenly become denser.

How did it become denser? By PM making it so, due to its funky properties. I mean it can be made of anti photons, after all.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Agreed. It'd be a high end feat if completely true.

Within his realm but like everything in comics, not something needed to accomplish similar results. It also incapacitated him as well anyway. Whether he would have eventually broke free or not, it did the job.

Yeah. It's still a hell of an attack either way, so it doesn't make anyone look bad. An attack strong enough to hinder the Hulk is nothing to sneeze at.

So how was this discussion even relevant to the thread in the first place?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Could be. It could also be a localized thing that affected just the area he was occupying and buffers that prevented the general area from being wrecked.

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Similar how Molecule Man's blast capable of wrecking several billion dimensions didn't even bust a wall in his room, lol.

@Pr: Carver 👆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Similar how Molecule Man's blast capable of wrecking several billion dimensions didn't even bust a wall in his room, lol.

Reality was right all along.

Sentry > Molecule Man