Originally posted by XLR87T3
If I put a 100 pound weight on your back, and you’re on all fours, you’re holding up that weight.
Umm....no i am in such position that i can't move the weight nor change the body position, that's not exacly resisting it, plus in the position which you provided you have your back muscles also helping, but in case of Hulk he was on his knees, different body position, different force application.
Also you already tried to use the same argument in another forums, and it has been already refuted.
Originally posted by XLR87T3
Resisting getting squashed would be having your limbs all stretched out, face on the ground. Those are very different things.
You argument has false notions from the beginning since the body position which you describe and Hulk were are completely different, on my fours i can use my body in different ways, while being on knees and in agony is completely different position.
In short basic false equivalency from your part.
Originally posted by XLR87T3He obviously resisted it, or he would be spread out, face on the ground. Him keeping his body off the ground is carrying said weight.
He was on his knees, unable to stand back or do anything and in pain, how is this resisting again?
Originally posted by XLR87T3
Also, Cap and Corvus obviously weren’t hit by the same thing. Even if you don’t think it was star weight, it was heavy enough to revert Hulk to Banner, it would obviously kill Cap if he was hit with the same thing. Unless you think Corvus and Cap are stronger than Hulk.
They were hit by the same freaking thing, both had VIOLET GLOW and BLACK ENERGY GLOW covering them when they were hit by Proxima's spear, the effects look the exact same, so yes it wa the same attack.
It reverted Hulk to banner not because of weight, it has nothing to do with weight but pain + damage.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Going purely by the scans posted in this thread, it looked to me like she was using a different attack on Hulk than she had intended for Cap.Her dialogue supports that too.
Where's the contradictory evidence?
Nope, it was the exact same attack, her talking about density and applying her was on panel showcased by changing the volume of her spear into 3 small spears with more density because she couldn't catch Hulk with her 1 spear in full form got it? She did the same with Cap and Corvus, plus the energy effects of violet and black glow were present in both Cap and Corvus as well as Hulk.
Her dialogue is getting misintepretated, density manipulation is about changing DURABILITY OF A PERSON/OBJECT, anyone with BASIC comic knowledge knows that, basically she pulled a Vision, she talks then she applies the attacks which is showcased as throwing 3 small spears (smaller distance between atom, better density/durability) into Hulk, the exact same thing she did with Cap and Corvus, it's the exact same attack, no matter how you look at it.
Counter evidence is in regars to the whole weight part with Cap and Corvus being able to tank the specific same attack.
Originally posted by carver9
It is relevant though because you are denying something that was told to us so since I cant accept the weight that was told to me in the comic AND the writer, you must've read something that told you a different weight.
I am not denying it, denying implies that the instance has legit aspect to apply, which it doesn't, if Cap, Corvus can resist it, lol with their low physicals.
Confirmed by writer? Where is the evidence then, huh.....
Originally posted by -Pr-
Funny you should say that, I thought Carver wasn't the one that was in the wrong, so maybe I need to re-read.I'll have a ook.
Please do. Thanks.
It's the same story all over again; he refuses to read the scans, magically forgets what other members explained to him several times already, everything just so he can misuse a feat he likes.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Nope, it was the exact same attack, her talking about density and applying her was on panel showcased by changing the volume of her spear into 3 small spears with more density because she couldn't catch Hulk with her 1 spear in full form got it? She did the same with Cap and Corvus, plus the energy effects of violet and black glow were present in both Cap and Corvus as well as Hulk.Her dialogue is getting misintepretated, density manipulation is about changing DURABILITY OF A PERSON/OBJECT, anyone with BASIC comic knowledge knows that, basically she pulled a Vision, she talks then she applies the attacks which is showcased as throwing 3 small spears (smaller distance between atom, better density/durability) into Hulk, the exact same thing she did with Cap and Corvus, it's the exact same attack, no matter how you look at it.
Counter evidence is in regars to the whole weight part with Cap and Corvus being able to tank the specific same attack.
You're talking like yours is the only interpretation, when it obviously isn't, as evident by the comic which seems to imply something else.
Or do you think that the writer thinks Captain America could survive the weight of a star bearing down on him?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Please do. Thanks.It's the same story all over again; he refuses to read the scans, magically forgets what other members explained to him several times already, everything just so he can misuse a feat he likes.
Oh, the carver special. Gotcha.
Originally posted by carver9
You also said Cap and Corvus withstood something Hulk couldnt. With that said, either Cap and Corvus didnt withstand the same attack or the attack was different or Cap and Corvus is stronger than Hulk. Your choice.
The attack was the exact same, only with ignoring the details someone would say otherwise.
I don't care whether Cap or Corvus are stronger or not, that's not my point, my point is the spear doesn't bring the weight of the star, simple as that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You're talking like yours is the only interpretation, when it obviously isn't, as evident by the comic which seems to imply something else.
There is nothing to intepretate, when everything is as simple as it gets..
Density Manipulating = changing durability with adding mass and making it bigger or making the object smaller via changing the volume, and guess what the scans show? It shows Proxima making 3 small spears from 1 big spear and throwing them into Hulk, the EXACT SAME THING SHE DID TO CAP AND CORVUS, 3 smalls spears + black energy glow + violet energy glow.
There is nothing in general interpretate, when the basic narrative already tells you what it is.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Or do you think that the writer thinks Captain America could survive the weight of a star bearing down on him?
Sure, it's not as if the weight of the star was merely a hyperbole with no evidence to confirm it's legitimacy, so sorry, but applying writer intent implies you have evidence from writer to back up the claims, so far none of us has that part, so we stick with comics and their narrative.
The whole weight of the star part gets thrown out of the window the moment Cap and Corvus withstood the same attack.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
There is nothing to intepretate, when everything is as simple as it gets..Density Manipulating = changing durability with adding mass and making it bigger or making the object smaller via changing the volume, and guess what the scans show? It shows Proxima making 3 small spears from 1 big spear and throwing them into Hulk, the EXACT SAME THING SHE DID TO CAP AND CORVUS, 3 smalls spears + black energy glow + violet energy glow.
There is nothing in general interpretate, when the basic narrative already tells you what it is.
Sure, it's not as if the weight of the star was merely a hyperbole with no evidence to confirm it's legitimacy, so sorry, but applying writer intent implies you have evidence from writer to back up the claims, so far none of us has that part, so we stick with comics and their narrative.
The whole weight of the star part gets thrown out of the window the moment Cap and Corvus withstood the same attack.
Assuming it's the same attack, which the comic suggest it isn't based on her own dialogue.
The simplest answer is generally the most obvious at first glance. She says her next attack is denser. She says the weight of a star is coming down on Hulk. That's two parts of dialogue that suggest it's not the same kind of attack used on Cap.
Just because both attacks are visually very similar doesn't make them identical. That's like saying every Superman punch or Surfer energy blast is the same strength, when it isn't.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Carver. Proxima used the same attack on Monica Rambeau...When she throws her spear it just causes damages and pain. That's all.
I'm not defining this to you again. The attacks are different... if you disagree, it's ok. I'm ok with you not agreeing with it but just know, I think you are completely wrong. Enjoy!!!
Originally posted by -Pr-
Assuming it's the same attack, which the comic suggest it isn't based on her own dialogue.The simplest answer is generally the most obvious at first glance. She says her next attack is denser. She says the weight of a star is coming down on Hulk. That's two parts of dialogue that suggest it's not the same kind of attack used on Cap.
Just because both attacks are visually very similar doesn't make them identical. That's like saying every Superman punch or Surfer energy blast is the same strength, when it isn't.
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Originally posted by RealityWarperAren't you up in arms in another thread that MM was at his absolute peak against Sentry, yet Proxima saying her attack only against Hulk carries the weight of the star with it and it doesn't count because other attacks didn't do that?
Carver. Proxima used the same attack on Monica Rambeau...When she throws her spear it just causes damages and pain. That's all.
So let me get this straight.
We have multiple theories.
1. Proxima can change the spear's density by will.
2. The spear's density is constant
3. It was a massive weight, but not that of a star (hyperbole).
If 1. is true then it would make sense for her to always have it at max density when throwing it. She would have to be literally stupid not to.
If 2. is true then it makes her not stupid anymore, but we now must question what Glaive meant by "net". If he referred to the spear then 2. is stupid.
If 3. is true then everything makes sense (except her not willing to always use it at its max density).
I always saw it as 3, personally.
It's a massive weight, but not a star.
1. Isn't true for your reasoning. I guess it could be possible, though, as Stilt said, not every attack is Goku's greatets Kamehameha. Not ever blast from Thor is his most powerful, Batman doesn't empty his most powerful gadgets in every fight.
2. Definitely can't be true, otherwise Panther, Cap et Al have taken stellar weights as well
Originally posted by h1a8
So let me get this straight.
We have multiple theories.
1. Proxima can change the spear's density by will.
2. The spear's density is constant
3. It was a massive weight, but not that of a star (hyperbole).If 1. is true then it would make sense for her to always have it at max density when throwing it. She would have to be literally stupid not to.
If 2. is true then it makes her not stupid anymore, but we now must question what Glaive meant by "net". If he referred to the spear then 2. is stupid.
If 3. is true then everything makes sense (except her not willing to always use it at its max density).
You have to remember, the spear IS a star, an all consuming star. How would he not be lifting the weight of a star when it IS a compressed star?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I always saw it as 3, personally.It's a massive weight, but not a star.
1. Isn't true for your reasoning. I guess it could be possible, though, as Stilt said, not every attack is Goku's greatets Kamehameha. Not ever blast from Thor is his most powerful, Batman doesn't empty his most powerful gadgets in every fight.
2. Definitely can't be true, otherwise Panther, Cap et Al have taken stellar weights as well
If it was created from a star, it wouldnt have a choice but to be the weight of a star that was forced on Hulk. How much does this weigh???
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67330/1883301-allstarsuperman29mk.jpg
This key was almost made from the same crap Proxima blade was made from. The difference is, she have to activate hers.
Originally posted by carver9Ah for ****'s sake
You have to remember, the spear IS a star, an all consuming star. How would he not be lifting the weight of a star when it IS a compressed star?
This isn't a complicated topic. She changed the ****ing weight against Hulk. Real simple like that. "Imo it was hyperbole", doesn't matter. She said it, whether it was hyperbole or not, we know that specific attack was meant to be heavy.
We don't know enough in depth details about how the spear works so we can assume it works by the least contradictory way possible. By being able to do whatever the **** Proxima wants it to do.
And there's no ****ing way a LoB tier pussy like Proxima is dragging around a stellar weight spear and chucking it at lightspeed and what have you.
It splits, it makes nets, it does stuff. Why can't it change weight mid throw and shit?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Ah for ****'s sakeThis isn't a complicated topic. She changed the ****ing weight against Hulk. Real simple like that. "Imo it was hyperbole", doesn't matter. She said it, whether it was hyperbole or not, we know that specific attack was meant to be heavy.
We don't know enough in depth details about how the spear works so we can assume it works by the least contradictory way possible. By being able to do whatever the **** Proxima wants it to do.
And there's no ****ing way a LoB tier pussy like Proxima is dragging around a stellar weight spear and chucking it at lightspeed and what have you.
It splits, it makes nets, it does stuff. Why can't it change weight mid throw and shit?
Good morning buddy. Nope, it didnt take affect when she threw it. As shown here, the spears didnt drop Hulk when it was in his chest... it only happened when the black ooze started circling his body...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11126/111260040/4890850-9865089673-34750.jpg
He then fell to his knees. It's obviously an activated ability and Thanos blessing her with it pretty much tells us how powerful Thanos is. He doesnt need the weapon to achieve whatever results he is reaching for. When has Thanos ever needed a weapon like that anyways? Also, its pretty got darn powerful, it reverted Hulk back to Banner.
