DOS Doomsday vs. Thor and Savage Hulk

Originally posted by carver9
Good morning buddy. Nope, it didnt take affect when she threw it. As shown here, the spears didnt drop Hulk when it was in his chest... it only happened when the black ooze started circling his body...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11126/111260040/4890850-9865089673-34750.jpg

He then fell to his knees. It's obviously an activated ability and Thanos blessing her with it pretty much tells us how powerful Thanos is. He doesnt need the weapon to achieve whatever results he is reaching for. When has Thanos ever needed a weapon like that anyways? Also, its pretty got darn powerful, it reverted Hulk back to Banner.

It was an ability to be activated, not something that is present all the time in the spear. If it is, then she is effortlessly and flawlessly swinging around the weight of a star and it doesn't translate to any of her physical prowess because she's a giant pussy.

You queers are making this a lot more complicated than it is. All that really matters is that whatever was holding Hulk was said to be extremely heavy, which was contrary to any other attack. Otherwise it downplays what she used against Hulk as you can see if this thread considering Cap stood up against a star being spearchucked at him.

All this ****ing head canon when it was stated right there what was happening against Hulk. Good for him, bad for him, I don't give a shit. But you sacks of ass have been arguing specifically about it almost this entire thread.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Assuming it's the same attack, which the comic suggest it isn't based on her own dialogue.

Your headcannon is this, comic clearly portrayed it as the exactly the same, from visuals to effects.

Originally posted by -Pr-

The simplest answer is generally the most obvious at first glance. She says her next attack is denser.

Density Manipulation in Marvel means MAKING SOMETHING MORE DURABLE, like when Vision can change his density from being able to phase from anything to being able to tank rockets, do you get it?

When she said so, she was merely using 1 form of spear, in its original form against Hulk, when she said those words she then proceeded to throw spear into 3 lesser spears, less volume of object but more density (ala better durability) against Hulk, she did the exact same thing against Cap and Corvus changin density was showcased as her merely throwing spear and chaning into 3 small spear form, nothing complicated whatsoever.

People are really trying to overcomplicate something that isn't complext at all.

Originally posted by -Pr-

She says the weight of a star is coming down on Hulk. That's two parts of dialogue that suggest it's not the same kind of attack used on Cap.

Not really, the weight of the star is a hyperbole statement in general, what you did here is build argument out of nothing, given the lack of validity of such statement.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Just because both attacks are visually very similar doesn't make them identical. That's like saying every Superman punch or Surfer energy blast is the same strength, when it isn't.

It's not just visual similarity, Proxima did the exact same thing, she threw spear it turned into 3 spears which induced violet and black energy glow, same attack.

Also your analogy doesn't work, since you have no evidence that spear's powers are not automatic when thrown against enemies (ie violet and black energy glow, which is what making the effects, and it was always present).

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Again, you are assuming nothing but headcanon, with no confirmation to yours about grav manipulation, i already explained that DENSER NET means making her spear tough enough to PIERCE Hulk, it has nothing to do with the effects that black energy does to the opponent, never was stated to do, nor showcased, simple as that.
Except it does, making something denser means making something more durable that's the definition of making something more dense, the only logical explanation is that Hulk's tough guy thus it is needed a more durable weapon to pierce him, simple as that.

Why would denser net mean tougher spear? You completely missed the point. Keyword is net. She wanted something strong, something tough, and powerful to hold him down. Something that could blanket him and keep him pinned. Hmmm.. Increased weight, maybe gravity.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would denser net mean tougher spear? You completely missed the point. Keyword is net.

Because that's how density manipulation works in comics, or are people now magically forgeting who VISION is and his powers, he changes density to phase through objects or changes it to become tough enough to tank many things.

I missed nothing, you simply don't properly comprehend notions presented here - density manip means making things tougher doesn't mean object becomes heavier or bigger, that depends on context and representation.

In Spear's case, the statement is illustrated as her changing the 1 spear (which couldn't hold Hulk in that form) into 3 small spears that's how her density manipulations is manifested, by changing the volume of object (making it smaller), thus more density.

MASS/WEIGHT remains exactly the same way, the only difference is that since there is lesser volume becasue now there are 3 small spears rather than 1 big one, it is more denser, nothing complicated whatsoever.

Overall she did the exact same thing against Hulk/Corvus.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

She wanted something strong, something tough, and powerful to hold him down. Something that could blanket him and keep him pinned. Hmmm.. Increased weight, maybe gravity.

Wrong, by your logic, Vision would also be gravity manipulator, a bit faulty notions.

Anyways your headcanon aside, this is false, density doesn't change power only durability.

Your logic would be correct in regards to mass, if not the fact her density manipulation is showcasing as lessening volume and creating 3 small spears, rather than bringing more mass, again comic shows it cut and clear.

Why are you using Vision as an example when he specifically changes his mass?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Why are you using Vision as an example when he specifically changes his mass?

Because he doesn't do it by the means of GRAVITY MANIPULATION, he is referrenced because to simply denotate that changing density doesn't automatically make one a gravity manipulator.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Sorry, and sincerely no offence intended, but you are not exactly the right person to tell me something in those regards.

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Because that's how density manipulation works in comics, or are people now magically forgeting who VISION is and his powers, he changes density to phase through objects or changes it to become tough enough to tank many things.

I missed nothing, you simply don't properly comprehend notions presented here - density manip means making things tougher doesn't mean object becomes heavier or bigger, that depends on context and representation.

In Spear's case, the statement is illustrated as her changing the 1 spear (which couldn't hold Hulk in that form) into 3 small spears that's how her density manipulations is manifested, by changing the volume of object (making it smaller), thus more density.

MASS/WEIGHT remains exactly the same way, the only difference is that since there is lesser volume becasue now there are 3 small spears rather than 1 big one, it is more denser, nothing complicated whatsoever.

Overall she did the exact same thing against Hulk/Corvus.

Wrong, by your logic, Vision would also be gravity manipulator, a bit faulty notions.

Anyways your headcanon aside, this is false, density doesn't change power only durability.

Your logic would be correct in regards to mass, if not the fact her density manipulation is showcasing as lessening volume and creating 3 small spears, rather than bringing more mass, again comic shows it cut and clear.

My friend why are you using this description,

for this?

And PM is literally describing her attack with the words, "weight of a star". Literally.

You don't use a denser net to stab somebody. U use it to immobilize someone or pin them down

@Maze

Why you want so bad to deny what was said on panel?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
My friend why are you using this description, for this?

Maybe, because A. She doesn't create nets, it is a metaphor and B. it is HOW IT IS SHOWN IN SCANS.

She talks about density net part, then proceeds to make her SPEAR Into 3 SMALL SPEARS, that is how she MANIFESTS the process, by making volume smaller thus creating 3 small spears, each one more denser/tougher than the original 1 spear, but still retaining the same mass/weight.

Literally nothing complicated here.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

And PM is literally describing her attack with the words, "weight of a star". Literally.

Yeah, too bad it is hyperbole, guess Cap and Corvus also took on weight of the star too.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

You don't use a denser net to stab somebody. U use it to immobilize someone or pin them down

Too bad Proxima doesn't create nets, her dialogue is directly followed by her making 1 spear into 3 smaller spears, she manifested the density part in that way, i already have explained this countless times already.

You're using density in comics to say something doesn't actually get heavier. You're using Vision as an example to further your point. Here is one of the first images I found of Vision from a ****ing Google image search
http://i.imgur.com/xvu6QY6.jpg

Gravity manipulation is a red herring though. It really doesn't matter at all in relation to anything said here. Does it take away from the mass? What sort of conclusion are you looking to get from this goalpost move?

The chain of events is this:
They needed a denser net. Proxima says the weight of a star is holding Hulk down. What happens to Vision is completely irrelevant because in the case of Hulk, density had a direct correlation to weight.

You can scream "hyperbole" if you want, and that's fair, but the intent was made that it was HEAVY. How this heaviness was achieved matters little in the grand scheme of things. It didn't actually weigh the weight of a star, the gravity was just so great it FELT like the weight of a star. Oh, great. Changes everything.

Not only that, but how are you going to play the hyperbole card when you're trying to tell us how something works in comics? Tell me again about the established fact of density not being equal to a mass increase based on no proof whatsoever while you deny actual statements and cheapen them to the realm of hyperbole.

By using Vision of all people to prove your point too.

Now I might be off base here because I've only skimmed through very little of this thread. I just know you guys were arguing about it for a few pages. Either way... Vision. 😂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@Maze

Why you want so bad to deny what was said on panel?

Denying implies that the instance contained legit aspect, except it factually didn't. So i am not denying anything, merely clearing up the spear doesn't bring weight of the star, given it was just your another hyperbole.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You're using density in comics to say something doesn't actually get heavier.

MISINTEPRETATION of my words i see, i see.

I didn't say things don't get heavier, i said getting heavier/bigger depends on context and representation of specific power, but you would already know this if you actually read my posts properly, but you didn't.

I already explained that my mention of Vision is connected that density manipulationg doesn't make one a gravity manipulator.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

You're using Vision as an example to further your point. Here is one of the first images I found of Vision from a ****ing Google image search

Good, too bad your argument lacks value because you didn't properly read my posts, thus making false arguments.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

Gravity manipulation is a red herring though. It really doesn't matter at all in relation to anything said here.

Well, at least we agree on GM part.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

Does it take away from the density or something? Does it take away from the mass? What sort of conclusion are you looking to get from this goalpost move?

Once again, changing density is not necessary meaning making things get more mass, for example you achieve the same density upgrade effect if you change the volume of objects, making it smaller, but retaining same mass, but with more density as an effect of it.

And guess freacking what Proxima did? After talking about density part, she proceeds to make her 1 spear into 3 small spears, guess what it means - less volume, more density, but same mass regarless.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

The chain of events is this:
They needed a denser net.

Except, she didn't create anything remotely close to being similar net, but whatever.

After she said those words about density, she then proceeded to make her spear into 3 smaller version of it, that's how she manifested density part, is it really that hard to get?

Originally posted by One Big Mob

Proxima says the weight of a star is holding Hulk down.

Sure, too bad the same effect and attack was on Cap and Corvus, thus we know that it is hyperbole, simple as it gets.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

What happens to Vision is completely irrelevant because in the case of Hulk, density had a direct correlation to weight.

Fan-fiction. When she was talking about density all she did was change her spear into 3 smaller version of it, so sorry, but you are wrong here. Since she didn't add mass to her spear, all she did is make the volume smaller, thus we got 3 small spears, but with more density, and of course with the same mass.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

You can scream "hyperbole" if you want, and that's fair, but the intent was made that it was HEAVY.

Headcanon, the intent was simply to damage opponent. Nothing about gravity or other nonsense.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

How this heaviness was achieved matters little in the grand scheme of things. It didn't actually weigh the weight of a star, the gravity was just so great it FELT like the weight of a star. Oh, great. Changes everything.

Again, talking about gravity, when there is ZERO evidence gravity was warped, once again fruitless statements with no facts to back it up.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

Not only that, but how are you going to play the hyperbole card when you're trying to tell us how something works in comics? Tell me again about the established fact of density not being equal to a mass increase based on no proof whatsoever while you deny actual statements and cheapen them to the realm of hyperbole.

Oh....look another example of you unable to understand my posts.

As i said already density boost can be achieved by multiple means, you don't have to get bigger mass for that, you can simply change the VOLUME OF OBJECT BY MAKING IT SMALLER THUS BETTER DENSITY, just like what Proxima did, she made her spear into 3 smaller versions of it, thus chaing the volume of the object by making it smaller, hence greater density.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

By using Vision of all people to prove your point too.

Once again, Vision was used to prove that when he changes density he becomes more durable, as well as that he does it not by bending gravity, it is as if you don't even read posts properly, HMMM..... 😄

Originally posted by One Big Mob

Now I might be off base here because I've only skimmed through very little of this thread. I just know you guys were arguing about it for a few pages. Either way... Vision. 😂

Yeah, this was long.

Either way misintepretation, lol.

How do we know the volume of the three smaller Spears was less than the original?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How do we know the volume of the three smaller Spears was less than the original?

I don't know, maybe because they are SMALLER as well, you had 1 spear which transformed into 3 smaller version of it while Proxima talked about density boost, you achieve that effect, either by getting more mass, or by making volume smaller, and if the volume gets smaller, than usually objects become smaller as well.

"I don't like it, it didn't happen" going for whole 5 pages. Wow.

This feat is really bothering you.

Wait a second, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed your position actually had some merit. Here it turns out you're saying it got denser because she split the spears into smaller spears and her talking about the weight of the star was just added for zero reason at all?

Am I correct on this?

Also the weight of her original unchanged staff that she carries around is what held Hulk down I guess?

Originally posted by One Big Mob

You queers are making this a lot more complicated than it is. All that really matters is that whatever was holding Hulk was said to be extremely heavy, which was contrary to any other attack. Otherwise it downplays what she used against Hulk as you can see if this thread considering Cap stood up against a star being spearchucked at him.

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