Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
how MUCH stronger though?

because tking an opponent from light years away is a huge cry from tking an opponent from a nearby planet.

Thing is, Palpatine spent the decades between the PT and OT hoarding as much knowledge as possible, in order to increase his own power... So by the time of ESB/RotJ, he had become powerful enough to own OT Vader with a few casual finger-flicks(as we saw in the comics.) Moreover, he has also schooled Vader in almost every conceivable way when it comes to overall usage of the Force(in both the comics and novels.)

So yeah, even though canon has gone out of its way to hyper-wank Vader any chance they get(and he IS uber as hell, no doubt), Palpatine is still just on a completely different level.

But if you're looking for an answer like: "OT Palpatine is 'x' times more powerful than OT Vader", then I can't give you an exact figure... SW doesn't work that way. Palpatine might be 20% more powerful, or he might be 500% more powerful... Who knows?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i read the shadows of the empire comics a long time ago and remember thinking the same thing about xizor as a character. just a pompous douche with no likable qualities as a villain.

maybe he was better in the books?

He easily had the coolest flag ship, though

Originally posted by Galan007
I think an argument could be made that a prime OT Vader was at(or very close to) the level of RotS Palpatine... At least where saber skill and general power/TK are concerned. Because per new canon: peak OT Vader > RotS Anakin/Vader(ala "Knightfall"😉 > RotS Anakin(momentarily tapping the dark side) >>> Dooku.

Thing is, Palpatine spent the decades between the PT and OT hoarding as much knowledge as possible, in order to increase his own power... So by the time of ESB/RotJ, he had become powerful enough to own OT Vader with a few casual finger-flicks(as we saw in the comics.) Moreover, he has also schooled Vader in almost every conceivable way when it comes to overall usage of the Force(in both the comics and novels.)

So yeah, even though canon has gone out of its way to hyper-wank Vader any chance they get(and he IS uber as hell, no doubt), Palpatine is still just on a completely different level.

But if you're looking for an answer like: "OT Palpatine is 'x' times more powerful than OT Vader", then I can't give you an exact figure... SW doesn't work that way. Palpatine might be 20% more powerful, or he might be 500% more powerful... Who knows?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He easily had the coolest flag ship, though

feel like that's what they were trying to make the ship from the han solo movie look like, yeah?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i see what youre saying. but even if darth sidious was "500%" more powerful then vader, it still doesn't explain why he can tk from across the galaxy, while vader can only tk from across a planet.

Has Vader ever tried?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i see what youre saying. but even if darth sidious was "500%" more powerful then vader, it still doesn't explain why he can tk from across the galaxy, while vader can only tk from across a planet.

Originally posted by Galan007
He also casually Force-chokes an officer from planetary range:

Originally posted by Galan007
He did something similar here as well:
https://i.ibb.co/r3QTfQ1/choke0.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jzLFgbr/choke1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/MkPSNT3/choke2.jpg

Don't give us any sort of upper-end "limit" on his TK. They are just general/casual displays of power that Vader felt the need to exert in those moments... Doesn't mean he is capped at that range by default, though.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
by far.

feel like that's what they were trying to make the ship from the han solo movie look like, yeah?

Which one?

I'm referring to the Virago:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Virago

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbf, you are restricting a peak OT Vader's TK to planetary range, even though we've never seen him try(and fail) to extend his range further. I know you are just going by displayed feats here, but these showings:

Don't give us any sort of upper-end "limit" on his TK. They are just general/casual displays of power that Vader felt the need to exert in those moments... Doesn't mean he is capped at that range by default, though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which one?

I'm referring to the Virago:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Virago

I've always wanted a cabinet of curiosities, tbf.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've always wanted a cabinet of curiosities, tbf.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think an argument could be made that a prime OT Vader was at(or very close to) the level of RotS Palpatine... At least where saber skill and general power/TK are concerned. Because per new canon: peak OT Vader > RotS Anakin/Vader(ala "Knightfall"😉 > RotS Anakin(momentarily tapping the dark side) >>> Dooku.

Thing is, Palpatine spent the decades between the PT and OT hoarding as much knowledge as possible, in order to increase his own power... So by the time of ESB/RotJ, he had become powerful enough to own OT Vader with a few casual finger-flicks(as we saw in the comics.) Moreover, he has also schooled Vader in almost every conceivable way when it comes to overall usage of the Force(in both the comics and novels.)

So yeah, even though canon has gone out of its way to hyper-wank Vader any chance they get(and he IS uber as hell, no doubt), Palpatine is still just on a completely different level.

But if you're looking for an answer like: "OT Palpatine is 'x' times more powerful than OT Vader", then I can't give you an exact figure... SW doesn't work that way. Palpatine might be 20% more powerful, or he might be 500% more powerful... Who knows?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Not trophies from your victims DS?

I mean, they'd also form part of the cabinet.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
but in a forum fight, feats are what matter. 😈

...But with a default starting distance of .5km, range would never be an issue anyway. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've always wanted a cabinet of curiosities, tbf.

Should be released sometime in October.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, they'd also form part of the cabinet.

marvel finally won one

YouTube video

Absolutely the wrong decision. 😤

Originally posted by Galan007
In a forum battle, sure, we'd have to "limit" Vader's range to what he has actually displayed in canon -- I was just speaking to his potential in general.

...But with a default starting distance of .5km, range would never be an issue anyway. 👆

Speaking of... I'm somewhat interested to watch this:
YouTube video

Should be released sometime in October.

Isn't a force choke easily countered?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Isn't a force choke easily countered?

Nope.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Isn't a force choke easily countered?

Even in SW it is exceptionally rare for a Force choke to be outright blocked/countered under one's own power, though there are like one or two instances where it has happened in canon(typically when the 'chokie' is stronger with the Force than the 'choker'.)

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i see what youre saying. but even if darth sidious was "500%" more powerful then vader, it still doesn't explain why he can tk from across the galaxy, while vader can only tk from across a planet.

We don't really know how range scales with force power. Eg, Emma is a planetary-ish level telepath, but Xavier has multiple feats of reaching the Shi'ar Galaxy. We know Xavier is much stronger than Emma but we couldn't do a 1:1 comparison based on their distance feats to say that X is billions of times stronger than her.