Originally posted by Smurph
No, you're confused. I'll be explicit so we don't have to worry about implicit arguments:I have no position on the makeup of Wolverine's teeth (lol). I have neither considered the possibility of adamantium nor the possibility of no adamantium.
Then you can see the same scans and pictures I see.
Do you see teeth in the scans? The Nitro cover, for example?
If yes, what is your logical reason as to why they are shown?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I continue to have no opinion on the teeth issue.
As in you don't know if you can see them?Or you don't know why they are shown?
If you don't know why they are shown, then it is equally likely or unlikely to you that the artist just drew them in? Balance of probabilities here.
That's fair, as you realise that it's a losing game to argue down that route.
That the art shows teeth is proof that the artist was just exercising his licence to draw a cool panel, nothing more. Same way his skeleton is shown upright in a 'cool' pose. Arguing that this artistic licence is somehow proof that his ligaments are tougher, with no canon explanations, or in-universe comic logic, is silly.
Originally posted by Smurph
There are depictions of his skeleton with adamantium connecting the bones.
I open this challenge to all. Carver, feel free. Stilt, Goober, Jinzin if you are still out there, quanchi can join up with abhi and h1 and bluewaterrider et al to put those big brains together and find these depictions showing the connections.
I'll even save you guys some research time:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Microscopic chains thing is more of a myth supposedly mentioned in one of the letter columns.
So no chains.
that wasn't a denial about frothing.
and yeah like i said, i think it's a pretty clear case of sometimes yes, sometimes no depending on who was working on logan at the time. it likely started as some way to explain why his entire body wasn't blasted into smithereens when he got hit by guys like hulk. i also have no opinion on his teeth. 😐
Originally posted by leonidas
that wasn't a denial about frothing.and yeah like i said, i think it's a pretty clear case of sometimes yes, sometimes no depending on who was working on logan at the time. it likely started as some way to explain why his entire body wasn't blasted into smithereens when he got hit by guys like hulk. i also have no opinion on his teeth. 😐
Oh it wasn't, the froth is real.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
DS and Carver have a special connection, some even think that it includes microscopic hooks. Noone could ever really confirm it though.
It's hard, that's all we know. File it under the mysterious properties
Originally posted by SmurphI disagree. That is not what that scan "literally" says.
It's literally what he says when Ba'al asks why tearing him apart doesn't work. /shrug
First, that's a Ba'al-possessed human in the Gehenna Stone Affair storyline who arguably isn't at full power given the Gehenna Stone hasn't been assembled yet as of Wolverine vol.1 #13. Second, what even is Ba'al's proven on-panel strength, full-power or not? I've seen random inferences towards Colossus but I can't be bothered to see if those are your claims. You declare what you believe Ba'al's strength to be and we'll argue that point. Third, while I can still readily admit that those scans "strongly imply" Wolverine's adamantium-coated bones make it that much incredibly harder to pull his arms out of their shoulder sockets, that's not the same as "literally" impossible.
But for argument's sake, let's set aside current and clear on-panel evidence & English language semantics for my fourth issue...
... if you want to specifically bear down on the "historical" interpretation of that Ba'al scan, then are you even accounting for the times that Wolverine has had his bones/joints literally dislocated??? Before the Krakoan era???
Spoiler:.
Hell, his claws technically dislocate every god damn time he unsheathes them but let's just agree outright that should be ignored for some arbitrary reason... except for the times Wolverine's claws have been separated from his skeleton btw
Originally posted by DarkSaint85👆 👆
Main thing to note is that this was wrong 👆 even before Krakoa
Originally posted by ODG
I disagree. That is not what that scan "literally" says.
"Why can't I rip you apart?" "Adamantium bones"
You can argue that one scan isn't enough (as DS was doing) and you can cast doubt on how strong Ba'al was in all the circumstances (as your one, two, three, four "issues" appear to be doing) but let's be clear...
All of those points notwithstanding, the scan does indeed literally say that Adamantium bones are what prevents his arms being ripped from his body.
If we can't agree on that basic starting point then the rest of the discussion is bound to fall apart.
Originally posted by SmurphI can, will and have argued exactly that. I've got little to nothing to argue against though.
https://ibb.co/72156fS][img]https://i.ibb.co/f4x5PgX/fmfrzDd.png"Why can't I rip you apart?" "Adamantium bones"
You can argue that one scan isn't enough (as DS was doing)
Originally posted by SmurphI am casting doubt on a theretofore completely featless single storyline supervillain? Who hadn't even achieved his full power within his own storyline? Well go ahead and you dispel all doubt and argue how strong you think he is during Wolverine vol.1 #13. Not my burden to prove the negative. I'm ready to listen. What did I miss?
and you can cast doubt on how strong Ba'al was in all the circumstances
Otherwise, it seems I'm arguing against nothing. Just some amorphous level of strength that we should project/assume which arbitrarily tends in favor of a completely linked adamantium skeletal structure at the joints? Talk about assuming your conclusions.
Phucking Wolverithmetics is the same tired old sh1t no matter whose mouth it comes out of. 👇 👇
You said this is a forum created myth with "no explicit evidence within the comics themselves." This is a moment of Wolverine explicitly saying that his adamantium is preventing his arms from being ripped from his body.
Can we at least agree on that? It seems basic. I'm not saying this one scan is proof of the whole matter. I'm not asserting something about Ba'al's strength level. I'm not insisting that you have to accept Wolverine's narration as word of god. I'm just looking for a single rational starting point to anchor some sort of discussion before it spirals into a bunch of internet debater hot air.
If you're bent on ignoring basic words to insist that the internet made it up, then there's no point in engaging with the remainder of your points.