Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion Thread

Started by Darth Thor64 pages
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That's like saying you expanded the city by laying waste to the forest and installed a bunch of flaming tire pits. Sure it's technically true, but it would have been a lot better if you had just left the forest alone and stopped trying to expand a perfectly fine city.

Like the Jedi Order, the city of coruscant, the senate chamber, the Sith lore, the banking clan, the trade federation, Clone facilities, Seperatists, e.t.c., e.t.c.

They expanded the Universe massively, no matter what you think of the films themselves, thats kind of hard to deny, or brush off.

Again, just because it technically was expanded, doesn't mean it was good. Hence my metaphor. The only thing you listed there that I'd call genuinely interesting is the HINT of a Sith lore. They didn't really tell us anything about the Sith, just sorta said that they exist. It was left to the EU to flesh them out better.

Same with everything you said, actually (except the Banking Clan, because nobody except weird diehards care about that). The PT introduced them, but nothing else. It's a sign of a bad film if it's own story and world is so underdeveloped, lackluster, and empty that it requires additional ancillary material to bring any life or sense into it. The PT-era EU was generally pretty good, and I'd put that down to there being so little of anything of substance in the actual films that the EU had nowhere to go but up. In contrast, I've always found the EU material centred around the OT characters to be very tedious and cringy--like the writers were trying but not quite succeeding at capturing the feel of those movies and its characters.

Which brings me my back around to my central point: I wish the Star Wars universe and franchise had ended with RotJ in 1983. And instead of trying to rewrite, resurrect, re-hash, or re-imagine the initial films from decades ago, that consumers and producers of fiction had created something new and different. Instead of endless Star Wars.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the entire franchise should have gone the way of the dodo after Return of the Jedi, but I will posit that I have depression and I want to kill myself every day.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the entire franchise should have gone the way of the dodo after Return of the Jedi, but I will posit that I have depression and I want to kill myself every day.

Thats definitely Lucas fault.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the entire franchise should have gone the way of the dodo after Return of the Jedi, but I will posit that I have depression and I want to kill myself every day.
What's stopping ya? Is it fear of missing out on moar Star Wahs?

Wow, this forum is alive again... a little. ;-)

Where do you go during these sabbaticals?

From the recent Vanity Fair...

"J.J. Abrams, alongside Stunt Coordinator Eunice Huthart, directs the Knights of Ren; elite fearsome enforcers of Kylo Ren's dark will.":

"Vanity Fair reveals Keri Russell as the masked scoundrel Zorri Bliss, seen in the Thieves' Quarter of the snow-dusted world Kijimi.":

"First Order leaders General Hux (Domhnall Gleeson) and Allegiant General Pryde (Richard E. Grant) on the bridge of Kylo Ren's destroyer.":

"Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) and Rey battle it out with lightsabers in a stormy confrontation. Their Force-connection--what Driver calls their "maybe-bond"--will turn out to run even deeper than previously revealed.":

That armor just looks.....they look like bums, I'm not gonna lie. Like they got their armor out of a trash compactor. Eh maybe they'll look better on screen in action.

Also "Maybe bond"??....What the frack is a Maybe bond?

General Hux/Pryde....meh?

Looks to be the same armor the Knights of Ren were wearing in Rey's force vision during TFA. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Looks to be the same armor the Knights of Ren were wearing in Rey's force vision during TFA. /shrug

We didn't really see the armor though, it was all dark n rainy. But maybe they'll look better in action/scene, the image doesn't really do any favors tbh.

Originally posted by Sith Master X
Best two pages of reading in quite some time. Too bad I wasn't around to post about how much I miss and love George Lucas!

Thanks. 😉

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
then again you gotta occasionally step back and remember it's just a kids' movie franchise

Still permatriggered I see. 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thats all damage control post the Last Jedi backlash. With Statements like this are trying to get Prequel fans back on board with the sequels.

Not saying he didnt consult Lucas, but this is clearly damage control.

👆

Originally posted by Galan007
From the recent Vanity Fair...

"J.J. Abrams, alongside Stunt Coordinator Eunice Huthart, directs the Knights of Ren; elite fearsome enforcers of Kylo Ren's dark will.":

You can tell the prop-budget has gotten a lot cheaper since the other films.

After the Solo fiasco and the hate for The Last Jedi and Disney Star Wars in general, this film accordingly has less money allocated to it for funding.

Props, costuming and effects will be cheaper than usual - and it shows.

Originally posted by Galan007
From the recent Vanity Fair...

"First Order leaders General Hux (Domhnall Gleeson) and Allegiant General Pryde (Richard E. Grant) on the bridge of Kylo Ren's destroyer.":

The bad guys are sufficiently Anglo-Saxon, so I'm satisfied.

Originally posted by Galan007
From the recent Vanity Fair...

"Vanity Fair reveals Keri Russell as the masked scoundrel Zorri Bliss, seen in the Thieves' Quarter of the snow-dusted world Kijimi.":

Basically Zam Wessel - but the director is confused and thinks Zam Wessel is supposed to be a bad ass main character.

🙄 😆

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
Basically Zam Wessel - but the director is confused and thinks Zam Wessel is supposed to be a bad ass main character.

🙄 😆

Zam Wessel looks a lot better, the helmet this one wears kinda throws off the rest of the outfit. If the helmet was changed or just removed, it'd look much better.

Originally posted by Galan007
From the recent Vanity Fair...

"Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) and Rey battle it out with lightsabers in a stormy confrontation. Their Force-connection--what Driver calls their "maybe-bond"--will turn out to run even deeper than previously revealed.":

Wow, I couldn't be less interested in this. sleep1

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Zam Wessel looks a lot better, the helmet this one wears kinda throws off the rest of the outfit. If the helmet was changed or just removed, it'd look much better.
Looks like Zam Wessel is wearing the Rocketeer's helmet: