Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Imagine not knowing that DNA is comprised of molecules called nucleotides. And the ability to manipulate said molecules gives one the master key to that DNA holder's entire physiology.Because a Darkseid avatar trying to box with Doomsday and Surfer using his massive hax to alter Doomsday's DNA are even remotely comparable right?
imagine not knowing... wtf are you talking about? darkseid LITERALLY rebuilt desaad--a new god--from nothingness after completely disintegrating him. nearly anything ss can do with pc ds can do with the oe only at a far greater level and dd treated ds like a child and nearly immediately evolved beyond the oe.
there is not a single ss scan you can show that i haven't seen. it's a pity your comprehension doesn't extend to inferencing and understanding implicit messages (or explicit, apparently.)
i've seen enough of your nonsense to know its pointless to talk to you though. carry on. 👆
Forgive me – it's been a long time since I read Hunter/Prey, but didn't Darkseid try to completely disintegrate Doomsday? That is a form of changing molecules (into ash). It didn't work because Doomsday evolved beyond it. Why wouldn't the same happen to Surfer if he tried to rearrange his molecular structure?
How fast exactly can DD’s evolving powers work? I mean we’ve seen him bleed right and his still susceptible to physical attack which means there is still limits to that ability, other wise he’d be purely immune to such attack. I think Surfer’s got teh feat to win via matter manipulation..
The pics below is Ghaur and that feat in terms of matter manipulation is OP..
Originally posted by Galan007
H/P Doomsday slaughtered Darkseid and numerous Imperiex Probes like they were low-level fodder(among many, many others.) The thought of him 'only' being trans-level is funny.It should be noted that at this point in his chronology, Superman's natural powers were already MASSIVELY amped due to his exposure to Kryptonite X...
When Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever:
https://i.imgur.com/A5Fc715.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZUOr1em.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMFlneF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PpaVx4Q.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JqED6sp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TL1K0F7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jsqwvoo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8uYRKnL.jpg
"I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
______________________________________Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that Superman had become immensely more powerful. Examples...
"Just tapped him a little... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker!":
https://i.imgur.com/KgUftR4.jpg"Even using as little effort as possible, I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than EVER before!":
https://i.imgur.com/vyiofCJ.jpg
______________________________________Superman's amp was then expanded on...
Hamilton: "You're absorbing solar radiation --and OTHER energies-- much faster than EVER before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite -- call it Kryptonite-X."
Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"
Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.":
https://i.imgur.com/O04ni6h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kuppq8g.jpg
______________________________________Superman himself mentioned his increased power during the H/P arc(before he had even obtained a MotherBox)...
"I'm BETTER than before, too! STRONGER.":
https://i.imgur.com/DNjZeeh.jpg
______________________________________His amplified power during the H/P-era was reinforced again here...
"After his recovery, [Superman] was stronger than EVER. Good thing, too -- 'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the EXTRA power, he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to HELP HIM stand up to Doomsday.":
https://i.imgur.com/xTntuCb.jpgSo as you can see- during the events of the H/P arc, Superman's natural abilities were hyper-amped to such an extent that he compared the power behind his LIGHTEST TAP to that of his BEST HAYMAKER before the amp.. And what was his BEST HAYMAKER previously? I'd say it was undoubtedly the final blow he used to 'kill' DoS Doomsday:
https://i.imgur.com/6dZAU4m.jpg...Food for thought.
That being said, MotherBox sensed the threat H/P Doomsday posed, and amped/equipped Superman specifically to handle him. IOW, it was an AMP on top of Superman's existing AMP:
https://i.imgur.com/4RGKnUR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9SoKBzh.jpg
"MotherBox sensed the situation, and armed me for battle with Doomsday! [...] Hopefully I've caught up to Doomsday's next level of evolution!"...Yet the amp it gleaned STILL wasn't remotely enough to contend with Doomsday, which is absolutely staggering given what MotherBox can do.
It's a very small gash relative to Doomsday's person, lol. Moreover, Doomsday pulled the sword out and in the next panel the wound is healed. So yes, DD healed nigh-instantly, as I've been saying.
Correct. The artist 'drew it' the exact way I'm describing: DD's flesh was atomized by Imperiex's entropic blast, while his bone structure remained intact. Ergo DD's bones are VASTLY more durable than his flesh. 👆
Are you talking about Superman managing to break the knee-protrusion of Doomsday during DoS? First and foremost, that was a far inferior version of DD than the one being discussed here.
Because an all-out strike from a MASSIVELY AMPED Superman only managed to give DD a minor fleshwound... Yet you'd have me believe that Superman(let alone Surfer) could have sliced through DD's BONES as well? Give me a break.
*see above*
Do I think a board-strike from Surfer is even remotely comparable to the power a MASSIVELY AMPED Superman can generate with an all-out swing from a New Genosian sword? Lol, absolutely not.
Aside from that, who is the strongest and most durable being that Surfer has bisected with a board-strike?
Originally posted by Ambient👆
How fast exactly can DD’s evolving powers work? I mean we’ve seen him bleed right and his still susceptible to physical attack which means there is still limits to that ability, other wise he’d be purely immune to such attack. I think Surfer’s got teh feat to win via matter manipulation..The pics below is Ghaur and that feat in terms of matter manipulation is OP..
Originally posted by AmbientPretty fast.
How fast exactly can DD's evolving powers work?
The moment something 'new' was used against him...even if it was only used for a moment...he adapted to counter it entirely.
Superman initially thought that his flight would be enough to keep him out of Doomsday's reach. Doomsday then evolved the ability to shoot his claws out of his fists at very high speed, and reel them back in at will...on the fly:
https://i.imgur.com/4vqD7QD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ldTXr32.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6n3dA5j.jpg
*Note that his claws were also equipped with a poison that was potent enough to affect Superman. That seemed like a newly-evolved ability as well.
A page or so later, DD adapted beyond the New Genosian 'Ultrasonics' that Superman was actively using against him...also on the fly:
https://i.imgur.com/8PChZAa.jpg
We saw this again when Waverider used his powers on DD for a brief moment, just to glimpse his personal timeline:
https://i.imgur.com/jWBXyEa.jpg
When Waverider attempted to use his powers in a completely different manner against DD a few pages later, we find that DD was not only immune to his temporal energy all together, but was able to cause a feedback in Waverider that sent his cumulative energies hurling out of control:
https://i.imgur.com/TxVkNMa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e82y4rH.jpg
IOW, a single use of the power cosmic against DD here...no matter how rudimentary...could very well render DD immune to the power cosmic across the board(at least where Surfer's application of it is concerned.) Just like we saw with Waverider.
Originally posted by Galan007
Pretty fast.The moment something 'new' was used against him...even if it was only used for a moment...he adapted to counter it entirely.
Superman initially thought that his flight would be enough to keep him out of Doomsday's reach. Doomsday then evolved the ability to shoot his claws out of his fists at very high speed, and reel them back in at will...on the fly:
https://i.imgur.com/4vqD7QD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ldTXr32.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6n3dA5j.jpg
*Note that his claws were also equipped with a poison that was potent enough to affect Superman. That seemed like a newly-evolved ability as well.A page or so later, DD adapted beyond the New Genosian 'Ultrasonics' that Superman was actively using against him...also on the fly:
https://i.imgur.com/8PChZAa.jpgWe saw this again when Waverider used his powers on DD for a brief moment, just to glimpse his personal timeline:
https://i.imgur.com/jWBXyEa.jpgWhen Waverider attempted to use his powers in a completely different manner against DD a few pages later, we find that DD was not only immune to his temporal energy all together, but was able to cause a feedback in Waverider that sent his cumulative energies hurling out of control:
https://i.imgur.com/TxVkNMa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e82y4rH.jpgIOW, a single use of the power cosmic against DD here...no matter how rudimentary...could very well render DD immune to the power cosmic across the board(at least where Surfer's application of it is concerned.) Just like we saw with Waverider.
Let me ask....do ANY of those attacks attempt to actually target or disable, or even address in any way, the source of Doomsday's power to adapt in the first place (his DNA that's been force evolved)?
Or are they just random attacks that leave his fundamental adaptation ability fully intact and leave his foes looking stupid as they continue to flail away in futility so Foomsday can seem cool and badass to readers?
Having the skeleton key to DD's entire physiology and thus the source of his abilities (remember we aren't going to wank them as being magical or divine or anything but the result of evolved DNA) makes all those durability feats absolutely irrelevant.
Just because Superman or Waverider or Darkseid weren't smart enough to attempt it doesn't mean it cant logically be done.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilWhere is the evidence that suggests Surfer can muck with the genetics of a being on Doomsday's level? Everything I've seen presented so far is woefully lacking.
Let me ask....do ANY of those attacks attempt to actually target or disable, or even address in any way, the source of Doomsday's power to adapt in the first place (his DNA that's been force evolved)?
Or are they just random attacks that leave his fundamental adaptation ability fully intact and leave his foes looking stupid as they continue to flail away in futility so Foomsday can seem cool and badass to readers?
Having the skeleton key to DD's entire physiology and thus the source of his abilities (remember we aren't going to wank them as being magical or divine or anything but the result of evolved DNA) makes all those durability feats absolutely irrelevant.
Just because Superman or Waverider or Darkseid weren't smart enough to attempt it doesn't mean it cant logically be done.
You just sound butthurt that DD can evolve beyond beings who are WAY outside Surfer's weight class, and are trying to desperately ignore all of his feats... cuz reasons. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007
Where is the evidence that suggests Surfer can muck with the genetics of a being on Doomsday's level? Everything I've seen presented so far is woefully lacking.You just sound butthurt that DD can evolve beyond beings who are WAY outside Surfer's weight class, and are trying to desperately ignore all of his feats... cuz reasons. srsly
But he didn’t tho....
He is like the most primitive life form. All he does is evolve to meet whatever is threatening him at the most basic form. Like when H/P closed his ear canal when Supes was using that sonic weapon against him.
and Just answer the question. Did any of those DC characters even attempt it? We know Surfer can manipulate genetics and the evolutionary process. Where is the proof that Doomsday can resist such an attack? And saying, "because he's 'On Doomsday's level'" is insufficient.
Idc how much higher Darkseid is than Surfer. That's not the point. I can take a punch from a grown man, but I cant take a scalpel to the carotid from a little kid.
The method of attack is the issue here.
Did you just say that Doomsday is a primitive life form, lol? Legitimately one of the worst and most ill-informed responses I've ever seen here... From anyone. You need to educate yourself on the character, dooder. none
And you keep dodging the question, so I'll ask again... This time in big words: Where is the evidence that suggests Surfer can muck with the genetics of a being on Doomsday's level?
You keep pretending acting like Surfer manipulating Doomsday's genetics is a 100% full-proof tactic here, so where is the evidence to support it? If you again fail to provide said evidence, I'm going to assume it simply does not exist, and that you're just pulling baseless no-limits fallacies out of your ass.
Originally posted by Galan007
Pretty fast..
My 2 cents.
