Originally posted by beatboks
No new info PR just comon sense.
If Superman's pre 52 history is now valid then all the villains hes fought have to have done the same things to him. Or are you saying his history is intact excluding those that were involved in said history?Last time I checked Parasite is a Superman villain. Whether its a different person or not Superman's pre flashpoint history includes the battles I mentioned and for it to be canon in current continuitt then Parasite has to have done those things.
Rebirth merging pre and post flashpoint continuity for Superman by extension means any interaction he had pre FP has to also be valid. Ergo team ups and battles with enemies.
For the most part, you are right in a sense. But, firstly, Parasite is a mantle, not a person. There have been multiple ones, so we treat them like separate people. You can't use the feats of Rudy Jones and Joshua Allen for the same argument. It's like Barry and Wally, etc.
Secondly, until the end of Doomsday Clock and the expected full combination, using Superman as the branching off point to decide which characters can combine feats and which can't is a ****ing nightmare. Superman didn't just fight villains; like I mentioned earlier, he also guest-starred in numerous hero books with post-crisis versions of those characters. And some of those were drastically different than their current versions. He was a JLA mainstay. If we allow feats for say, Mongul to be combined, why can't we do the same for Martian Manhunter?
Sure, people will say "well, he's not a Superman family character", but that's at best a flimsy argument.
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The mess this thread has become is a prime example of why we're limiting it to Superman himself for the moment. Rudy Jones and Joshua Allen are different people that operate under the same supervillain name. They can't combine feats. Joshua Allen is the Parasite in the Suicide Squad, so he's the one you use. End of.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Both Ted Kord and Jaime Reyes exist, since Rebirth includes everything.Simple question. Can I use Pre 52 Jaime Reyes feats for current Ted Kord?
Very simple.
Both existed pre FP and were different characters. Them both existing after doesnt make them mergable. There was another Blue Beetle before both (guy called Dan Garrett) he doesnt merge with them either. The "scarab" worked differently for him than Jaimie and necer worked for Ted at all.
Lets look at it another way. Post COIE we excluded pre coie feats unless they were referred to. As a JSA fan I'll use a few examples there. Ultra still waged his/her war on America because it was referenced several times. The interaction between him and the JSA still existed. Yet we know Superman didnt exist in that time and was a big part of the story. Difference being DC created a character literally to fill the void (Arn Munro).
How about another. We know that Mordru still had the battle he had vs the JLA, JSA, LoSH from the JLA team up. We know because it was pictured when Hector saw his future (and referenced and shown a few other times). But Mordru post COIE had a completely different back story, existed in a different body, had many other differences to pre COIE Mordru.
Post coie Mordru had a completely different power level. As did all those he fought. Yet the story still happened.
Superman cant have had the influences on his history by parasite without him having done them. IF we had seen a Rudy Parasite post rebirth then it would be a different story. There would be another to have had those influences without feat sharing. So far there isn't. So Clark cant have gone thru what pre FP parasite put him thru unless post FP parasite did it. Not until such time as a new Parasitenis introduced.
Ohh and I'd like to know exactly what "scans" I've posted that you keep refering to. Because I haven't loaded/linked any.
Post FP parasite has simultaineously absorbed Flash, WW, and other JLAers and from memory Flash was a couple of streets away at the time. In a forum battle with no PIS he drains both teams dry, sicks them of their life force and is the only one left standing.
Sucks the energy from Hal's ring from a distance
sucks Barry's speed energy from considerably further.
Oh and THOSE BTW are what you call scans. Not comments.
Now given he can drain eneough energy from Hal to make him "woosey" in seconds and Hal has a LOT mor energy than everyone on both teams combined I'm not seeing much issue for him to drain everyone here dry.
Oh but THIS is where youll say Nu52/rebirth parasite cant drain multiple beings at once.
heres a couple of cops that would disagree (that is also another scan)
Oh and there we have feats for Joshua doing exactly what I reference pre FP parasite from doing.
Btw. There was a joshua parasite pre FP. Rudy was second and it was Joshua who appeared in the Airwave story I referenced (not put scans of) IIRC. I'll see of I cant dig it up
Originally posted by Senor Cage
If we use the most formidable Parasite that Beatbok's is using, he can just absorb Psylocke's power. He's absorbed psychic energy before.
It's similar to how Parasite can absorb super strength, yet you can still punch him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine is perfectly capable of "unlocking" it himself 😂
Originally posted by beatboks
Both existed pre FP and were different characters. Them both existing after doesnt make them mergable. There was another Blue Beetle before both (guy called Dan Garrett) he doesnt merge with them either. The "scarab" worked differently for him than Jaimie and necer worked for Ted at all.Lets look at it another way. Post COIE we excluded pre coie feats unless they were referred to. As a JSA fan I'll use a few examples there. Ultra still waged his/her war on America because it was referenced several times. The interaction between him and the JSA still existed. Yet we know Superman didnt exist in that time and was a big part of the story. Difference being DC created a character literally to fill the void (Arn Munro).
How about another. We know that Mordru still had the battle he had vs the JLA, JSA, LoSH from the JLA team up. We know because it was pictured when Hector saw his future (and referenced and shown a few other times). But Mordru post COIE had a completely different back story, existed in a different body, had many other differences to pre COIE Mordru.
Post coie Mordru had a completely different power level. As did all those he fought. Yet the story still happened.
Superman cant have had the influences on his history by parasite without him having done them. IF we had seen a Rudy Parasite post rebirth then it would be a different story. There would be another to have had those influences without feat sharing. So far there isn't. So Clark cant have gone thru what pre FP parasite put him thru unless post FP parasite did it. Not until such time as a new Parasitenis introduced.
Ohh and I'd like to know exactly what "scans" I've posted that you keep refering to. Because I haven't loaded/linked any.
Post FP parasite has simultaineously absorbed Flash, WW, and other JLAers and from memory Flash was a couple of streets away at the time. In a forum battle with no PIS he drains both teams dry, sicks them of their life force and is the only one left standing.
Sucks the energy from Hal's ring from a distance
sucks Barry's speed energy from considerably further.
Oh and THOSE BTW are what you call scans. Not comments.
Now given he can drain eneough energy from Hal to make him "woosey" in seconds and Hal has a LOT mor energy than everyone on both teams combined I'm not seeing much issue for him to drain everyone here dry.
Oh but THIS is where youll say Nu52/rebirth parasite cant drain multiple beings at once.
heres a couple of cops that would disagree (that is also another scan)
Oh and there we have feats for Joshua doing exactly what I reference pre FP parasite from doing.
Btw. There was a joshua parasite pre FP. Rudy was second and it was Joshua who appeared in the Airwave story I referenced (not put scans of) IIRC. I'll see of I cant dig it up
👆 Nice catch on the multiple people getting absorbed. It's definitely possible for Parasite to do it off the bat.
Originally posted by StyleTime
He absorbed a comatose person's energy who wasn't trying to attack him. And he had still had to physically touch her. Not quite the same as Psylocke dropping him.It's similar to how Parasite can absorb super strength, yet you can still punch him.
True, but I've seen him need to take damage to get angry enough to trigger it before. That's not always true, but I figured we could cut the guess work. Just have Psylocke launch him at Deathstroke with TK while mentally unhinging him.
Nah, I was referring to the scan I posted of Parasite absorbing Dubbilex. Parasite basically absorbed him while he was doing a psychic attack, which shows Parasite CAN absorb psychic energy.
Originally posted by beatboks
In a forum battle with no PIS he drains both teams dry, sicks them of their life force and is the only one left standing.Sucks the energy from Hal's ring from a distance
sucks Barry's speed energy from considerably further.
And the problem with your distance scans, is that it's been repeatedly established that he needs proximity for his powers to work. Sometimes, they even go as far as to say touch is required.
https://postimg.cc/DJLCx2rt
The first scan is 20-30 feet away tops. In the second scan, Parasite was already powered up beforehand, no? Either way, wouldn't that be the PIS if most other showings contradict that?
Originally posted by beatboks
Now given he can drain eneough energy from Hal to make him "woosey" in seconds and Hal has a LOT mor energy than everyone on both teams combined I'm not seeing much issue for him to drain everyone here dry.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Nah, I was referring to the scan I posted of Parasite absorbing Dubbilex. Parasite basically absorbed him while he was doing a psychic attack, which shows Parasite CAN absorb psychic energy.
Originally posted by StyleTime
That was a temporary mutation Parasite had, back when he could even absorb inertia too.
And on top of that, it still looks like the proximity thing was in effect. Dubbilex was right next to him.
Originally posted by beatboks
Both existed pre FP and were different characters. Them both existing after doesnt make them mergable. There was another Blue Beetle before both (guy called Dan Garrett) he doesnt merge with them either. The "scarab" worked differently for him than Jaimie and necer worked for Ted at all.
Superman cant have had the influences on his history by parasite without him having done them. IF we had seen a Rudy Parasite post rebirth then it would be a different story. There would be another to have had those influences without feat sharing. So far there isn't. So Clark cant have gone thru what pre FP parasite put him thru unless post FP parasite did it. Not until such time as a new Parasitenis introduced.
Ohh and I'd like to know exactly what "scans" I've posted that you keep refering to. Because I haven't loaded/linked any.
Post FP parasite has simultaineously absorbed Flash, WW, and other JLAers and from memory Flash was a couple of streets away at the time. In a forum battle with no PIS he drains both teams dry, sicks them of their life force and is the only one left standing.
Sucks the energy from Hal's ring from a distancesucks Barry's speed energy from considerably further.
Oh and THOSE BTW are what you call scans. Not comments.
Oh but THIS is where youll say Nu52/rebirth parasite cant drain multiple beings at once.Oh and there we have feats for Joshua doing exactly what I reference pre FP parasite from doing.
Btw. There was a joshua parasite pre FP. Rudy was second and it was Joshua who appeared in the Airwave story I referenced (not put scans of) IIRC. I'll see of I cant dig it up
Never said he couldn't drain mulitple beings, lol. NOW who's making stuff up??
I said, and I reiterate: show me n52 Parasite (Josh) draining multiple enemies, WHILST surrounded by his team mates.
Which you haven't. So am still waiting.
@Styletime:
Either way, it's already shown that he doesn't need to touch his opponents, as long as he's juiced up before. From what it looks like, it seems Parasite needs to touch someone when he's weak or in need of energy. When he gets his fix, then he can absorb what he wants, even long distances, if he wants. Which begs the question: Where does Parasite start out at? Weak or with a decent amount of energy?
Originally posted by StyleTimeIsn't that from a Snickers commercial comic?
https://postimg.cc/SXwTLXM6