Suicide Squad vs. X-Force

Originally posted by StyleTime
Some misconceptions on both sides from the past couple of pages. Not really sure how to proceed as I am not quoting forty different posts.

Eye beams aren't automatically lightspeed and Fantomex never misdirected Jean/Xavier (except in the literal sense of being deliberately confusing). Lightspeed+ Quicksilver is more than a bit debatable too.

Cheetah was stated to be as fast as the Flash. It's only a statement, but I do give her the benefit of the doubt due to showings.
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On the other hand, the others do have a point about her less than stellar average. It's a brief career, and comics are comics, so I'm not sure how to handle that. And continuity changes may make things even murkier. I guess I can't fault people for doubting her.

And if we use Cheetah, pre-Flashpoint, she has the Zoom upgrade. Either way, the New 52 Cheetah fought the Justice League and toyed with the Flash and Flash is a lot faster than Quicksilver.

Originally posted by beatboks
In any case as I said if he drained everyone regardless and didn't try to give power back to his own teammates he's got all their power they're all screwed He's Still Standing ergo his team wins because hes all thats left standing at the end.

Or freezes in place because she said "stop." Then she walks up to him for a Psiblade KO.

Or, on the higher end, Psylocke could just say "no" and collapse their entire team. Psylocke loves her one-word shut downs.

I agree with you as far as Fantonex alone is concerned, but, being fair, Darksaint and the others are right. If Cheetah can't blitz them in time, this swings in X-Force's favor. Psylocke is a gigantic problem, and that's on top of them being caught in a misdirection while Psylocke unlocks berserker Wolverine.

Wolverine is perfectly capable of "unlocking" it himself 😂

If we use the most formidable Parasite that Beatbok's is using, he can just absorb Psylocke's power. He's absorbed psychic energy before.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Parasite is a different guy. Completely different name and everything.

The guy Beatboks and Golgo were showing scans for we're for Rudy Jones and maybe Allston/Jensen.

In n52/Rebirth, his name is Joshua Allen. Completely different origin, as well.

It's like arguing Blue Beetle Ted Kord and Jaime Reyes are the same.

And how far does it go?

But the pre Flashpoint history for Superman is intact that means every battle he had with parasite happened the fact that it's a different parasite makes no difference the battles had to have occurred for him to have continuity including pre-flashpoint. That means by extension that the parasite that exists in the here and now (different name and origin included) has to have done the things done by the pre FP parasite. If he hasnt then rebirth Superman doesnt have pre FP feats.

You simply can't have one without the other

Or they're completely different and not applicable.

Supes has been fighting Rudy Jones etc.
This new Parasite, however, is a separate character.

So, does this mean we use the real Parasite, since Pre-Flashpoint counts now? 😖hifty:

Lol no.

Just like one doesn't use Ted Lord and Jaime Reyes as interchangeable.

But both count, since both exist in the dcu.

But we don't cross feats.

So you can't post scans of Jaime when debating Ted.

Just like we can't post scans of Rudy when debating Joshua.

But everything counts per Rebirth.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
But everything counts per Rebirth.

But they're completely different characters. What part of this do you not understand??

They're both called Blue Beetle. Both existed in n52 and pre 52.

But you can't go into a Blue Beetle thread, which has Ted Kord, and argue it's suddenly Jaime Reyes.

Or into a Flash thread, which uses Jay Garrick, and post scans of Wally/Barry.

Or into a GL thread, which has Baz, and use Hal Jordan.

Or a Thor thread, which has Odinson, and use Jane.

You and other posted Rudy Jones scans. But current Parasite is Joshua Allen. Who only appeared in n52.

I know they're 2 different characters. Who said we have to use one or the other?

Forum rules which state current versions.

Current is Joshua Allen. And has been for quite a few years now.

But like Beatbok said, the other should count too. Cant have one without the other.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
But like Beatbok said, the other should count too. Cant have one without the other.

Rebirth put pre-flashpoint back in continuity, right?

Originally posted by Senor Cage
But like Beatbok said, the other should count too. Cant have one without the other.

You can't have Jaime without Ted.

Doesn't mean I'm going into a Ted Kord thread and he suddenly has weaponry that can take Spectre down, lol.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Rebirth put pre-flashpoint back in continuity, right?

So, Rebirth doesn't count now?