Yeah, T-Bolt is still a 5D Imp who had explicit orders to contain Mordru in that instance, yet Mordru overpowered him nonetheless. Mordru also tooled Shazam(who is undoubtedly Skyfather) from within the Rock of Eternity... And he and Nabu are always treated as equals.
Just saying that I think they should both be *at least* Skyfather. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007👆
Imo, Mordru and Nabu are at least Skyfather, with the potential to be well above that. /shrug
For starters, we have on-panel Mordru owning a 5D being:
We have Mordru on-panel no-selling Shazam inside the Rock of Eternity:
The same Shazam who later had a very close fight with Spectre:
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Impressive stuff Phil 👆 DOV was such a fun read
if the top level Lords of Order and Chaos are not skyfathers, DC might as well pack up their shit and leave lol
Originally posted by MrMindJenny Quantum is being criminally underrated if she's only trans here, she was on the level of kid franklin.
she has created a sentient universe, absorbed a baby universe and teleport it
and her exact twin Jenny Fractual that was stated to be her exact power level many times. was merging multiverse into one, ripping/fracturing the multiverse, time and reality are malleable under her power
https://imgur.com/gBjYTyC
https://imgur.com/pjSlc2v
https://imgur.com/6D31vjB
https://imgur.com/zEkTHXJ
https://imgur.com/5zLRd56
https://imgur.com/zTpIdnC
https://imgur.com/GbXi1n5
https://imgur.com/Wz5uPdJeven as a kid Jenny has constructed a reality retroactively existed at the beginning of time and lasted for more than a week
during the fight with the doctor (another reality warper for some reason on the trans list that doesn't belong there), she made dozens of her alternative realities self to fight with her
using anti matter
https://imgur.com/SKcQjAS
ability to time travel
https://imgur.com/No3Jm74
creates infinite city with a thought (sentient universe)
https://imgur.com/5lldgKj
teleport baby universe somewhere
https://imgur.com/ycqlsdw
explodes tiny quantum bursts inside someone brain
https://imgur.com/VsUoQWs
playing devil's advocate for a moment--because i think the gap in this tier is very large--most of that was from a single arc and tbh, mordru basically tricked shazam there as opposed to overpowered him. i'm not convinced mordru>shazam. i'd honestly have always said it was the other way around if we look at their longer histories.
it seems though that if mordru was able to handle the t-bolt that easily, should we be looking at the t-bolt? it has been...very inconsistent over time.
i'm not saying mordru shouldn't be off the list, or nabu. i'm just not fully convinced they should be. if nabu fought mephisto in hell, for example, i think it would be a damn good fight. and mephisto isn't at the top of this level. i'll dig around a bit more, i'm just stating my overall impressions of these guys, as opposed to how they looked in specific instances. feel free to bump them off, it just says an awful lot to move them into a cosmic tier imo.
Originally posted by leonidas
playing devil's advocate for a moment--because i think the gap in this tier is very large--most of that was from a single arc and tbh, mordru basically tricked shazam there as opposed to overpowered him. i'm not convinced mordru>shazam. i'd honestly have always said it was the other way around if we look at their longer histories.it seems though that if mordru was able to handle the t-bolt that easily, should we be looking at the t-bolt? it has been...very inconsistent over time.
i'm not saying mordru shouldn't be off the list, or nabu. i'm just not fully convinced they should be. if nabu fought mephisto in hell, for example, i think it would be a damn good fight. and mephisto isn't at the top of this level. i'll dig around a bit more, i'm just stating my overall impressions of these guys, as opposed to how they looked in specific instances. feel free to bump them off, it just says an awful lot to move them into a cosmic tier imo.
Even after being weakened he beat Typhon with the power of every lord of order and chaos and was endangering "all reality" and "entire creation".
http://i.imgur.com/IdxHSXp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GrKfdwR.jpg
Lords of Order flat out said that he nearly wrought destruction of entire creation.
http://i.imgur.com/tnoSo7a.jpg
All of this while diminished.
http://i.imgur.com/bO4emrv.jpg
Why would Mephisto have a good fight against Nabu?
and yet if we go back through countless jsa or hawkman books, he is nowhere shown at that level consistently. i'll take a closer look that the book you're referencing as well. he met the spectre once before the above scans and spectre owned him completely, simply shut down his power.
and mephisto would have a good battle with him, because they are relatively close in power....? 😕 same reason mephisto and galactus basically stalemated until galactus started eating hell--something mordru can't do. unless you think mordru slaughters galactus too? no, don't answer that....
Originally posted by leonidas
and yet if we go back through countless jsa or hawkman books, he is nowhere shown at that level consistently. i'll take a closer look that the book you're referencing as well. he met the spectre once before the above scans and spectre owned him completely, simply shut down his power.
What are you talking about? Even in JSA, Nabu had created an entire universe in his amulet which was safe even from Extant with worloggog. And yeah, Spectre when he was given God's task to destroy Egyptian king and its specifically stated that it was the force which Spectre represented which unmade him.
Even there Nabu and Lords were credited for creating the universe.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Spectre-1992/Issue-14?id=68415
Even Jim Corrigan Spectre (without God's power could not free Kent and Inza soul from Nabu and had to go to Michael Demiurgos to do that).
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Fate/Issue-22?id=113051
and mephisto would have a good battle with him, because they are relatively close in power....? 😕 same reason mephisto and galactus basically stalemated until galactus started eating hell--something mordru can't do. unless you think mordru slaughters galactus too? no, don't answer that....
Right, you're talking about taking average for Nabu and Mordru but using the highest feat ever for Mephisto as if Galactus is some sort of measuring stick (Silver age Galactus that is).
But sure, Mordru casually destroyed Infinite Man and drained all his energies along with Glorith.
Originally posted by Galan007
Mordru owns Infinite Man, and absorbs half of his 'infinite' power [sharing the other half with Glorith]:Though it was mentioned that Glorith had a hand in planning the power-absorbing scheme, it should be noted that Mordru, and Mordru alone, was the only character actually shown using his powers against Infinite Man. *cough*it's his feat*cough*
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Per Vril Dox, Mordru/Glorith could have destroyed the entire universe, and all it's timelines, in exactly 5.8 seconds:
Just to demonstrate the type of power he/they possessed during this time.
But yeah, Nabu and Mordru are trans level beings because Galactus!!!! And Odin!!!
bless galan's heart, but it says on plan THEY have plans. and i'm sure if i went back and looked at that arc, their 'plan' would be explained. and anyway, stealing power? doom's stolen power from everyone. /shrug
where is this universe nabu was said to have created? and how are his feats any better than odin's best feats exactly? half of classic odin's power was going to destroy the universe. and nice excuse making for nabu when he first faced spectre. 👆 he still got owned--effortlessly.
you'll lowball ANYTHING i post for odin, so i won't bother getting into this YET AGAIN with you, but i have never seen anything (certainly nothing consistent) that would tell me nabu>odin.
i have absolutely no issue with putting nabu at skyfather. mordru, meh. galan says he's equal to nabu. that's fine by me. i don't think either should be placed above the likes of odin however.
and you're hilarious talking about mephisto's highest feat. mephisto has plenty of feats. but showing the highest feats is your go-to move. if nabu>odin, it shouldn't be hard to show it with a series of feats. likewise, mordru.
Originally posted by leonidas
bless galan's heart, but it says on plan THEY have plans. and i'm sure if i went back and looked at that arc, their 'plan' would be explained. and anyway, stealing power? doom's stolen power from everyone. /shrug
They had the plan which consisted of draining his power.
Right, Infinite Man straight up says they are tearing him apart and its like Doom draining power with tech, sure thing man.
where is this universe nabu was said to have created?
JSA 14.
and how are his feats any better than odin's best feats exactly?
Remind us again where Odin created a universe?
half of classic odin's power was going to destroy the universe.
You mean planets (One by one) and retconned as Odin amped by abstract Infinity's power?
and nice excuse making for nabu when he first faced spectre. 👆 he still got owned--effortlessly.
Yeah, because he was backed by God. Not sure if you read it because it's prefectly clear how it was done.
you'll lowball ANYTHING i post for odin, so i won't bother getting into this YET AGAIN with you, but i have never seen anything (certainly nothing consistent) that would tell me nabu>odin.
There's that word again, consistently. Odin is consistently at star/solar system level in majority of his showings. Heck one of your favorite showings (Thor 300) shows him at planetary level.
Mordru/Nabu are consistently far above that level because they have so few appearances.
i have absolutely no issue with putting nabu at skyfather. mordru, meh. galan says he's equal to nabu. that's fine by me. i don't think either should be placed above the likes of odin however.
Because you only want "consistently" from DC skyfathers, Odin is by default galaxy level despite majority of times not being at that level.
and you're hilarious talking about mephisto's highest feat. mephisto has plenty of feats. but showing the highest feats is your go-to move. if nabu>odin, it shouldn't be hard to show it with a series of feats. likewise, mordru.
I've already done it. Both Mordru and Nabu have multiple universe level showings, Odin doesn't despite hundreds more appearances.
But hey, Mephisto being Thor's *****, Dr Strange's ***** and Adam Warlock's ***** means he can fight Nabu evenly.
😂
Originally posted by Philosophía
I'd like to point out DoV Spectre was so powerful he destroyed that entire Universe in his fight with Nabu.
Alex Luthor recreates infinite multiverse using the magic of prime universe.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23168988/shift.jpg.html
Reiterated multiple times that the magic of main universe is the fuel.
http://i.imgur.com/eKeBHNc.jpg
Just for emphasis, it is again confirmed that Alex indeed brought the pre crisis infinite multiverse back. From Justice Society of America 20 if anyone wants to know.
Mordru had absorbed entire magic of Legion universe.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mH3AQZmWS5k/VjOaWUFcJJI/AAAAAAARvoU/b3GvdBi6K_k/s1600/24_07.jpg
Hey look, another universal showing for Mordru. But eh, it's not consistent until Leo says so.
