Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Are you male? Do you identify as a man? Is it important to you that other people see you as a man? Is there anything anyone could say to you to convince you otherwise?You have an internal sense of self, and it is fixed. David Reimer is proof of this.
As an infant, his penis was destroyed during circumcision, so he was sexually reassigned, and raised as a girl. Despite this, he knew he was a boy, and rejected his female socialization.
He did not know he was born male, he had no male genitals, and he still knew he was a boy. He was raised a girl, he had female genitals, and he still knew that was not his gender.
Some of you have had your gender so policed by external actors that you are terrified by the notion that your gender could be influenced, changed, or revoked by external factors.
If you know you are a man, you should also be secure in the knowledge that there is nothing that can change that.
Didn't that twin study just prove that you don't mess with the gender you were biologically born with? David Reimer, raised a girl became suicidal. His twin bro, raised as a boy, but forced to perform sexual acts on David, actually committed suicide. David then committed suicide. This study makes a weak case for gender malleability.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEBut do you disagree?
That certainly makes you an outlier.
They grow out of it, because it is make-believe. They are not really dinosaurs, so they stop pretending to be dinosaurs.Well... Tbh I don't really believe that trans people are "born in the wrong body" either. I think there's probably something wrong with their brain/mind
Originally posted by gauntlet o doom... The ****???
Didn't that twin study just prove that you don't mess with the gender you were biologically born with? David Reimer, raised a girl became suicidal. His twin bro, raised as a boy, but forced to perform sexual acts on David, actually committed suicide. David then committed suicide. This study makes a weak case for gender malleability.
Originally posted by mike brown
But do you disagree?Well... Tbh I don't really believe that trans people are "born in the wrong body" either. I think there's probably something wrong with their brain/mind
We just don't know how to fix that part so people opt to change their body instead.
It's a mental illness, but it's taboo to say that.
This tranny stuff has created situations like...a grown man abandons his wife and kids cuz he decides he's a 6 yr. old girl. Not joking, this happened.
Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
Didn't that twin study just prove that you don't mess with the gender you were biologically born with? David Reimer, raised a girl became suicidal. His twin bro, raised as a boy, but forced to perform sexual acts on David, actually committed suicide. David then committed suicide. This study makes a weak case for gender malleability.
It proves the gender identity is immutable. The problem is that some people do not seem to understand that applies to transgender people as well. Their internal sense of self is just as fixed as cisgender people. The difference is that their internal sense of self is fixed in a position that does not align with their body.
Originally posted by mike brown
But do you disagree?
Yes. I do not think I can convince someone they are not who they know themselves to be.
Originally posted by mike brown
Well... Tbh I don't really believe that trans people are "born in the wrong body" either. I think there's probably something wrong with their brain/mind
We just don't know how to fix that part so people opt to change their body instead.
I do not think mental health professionals or transgender people necessarily disagree. However, we are limited to the tools we have. We cannot change the minds of people who are transgender, but we can change their bodies. So we do what we can to bring them more in alignment to ease their dysphoria. I do not think anyone is operating with the belief that cosmetic procedures are literally changing the biological sex of a person. They are making them more comfortable in the vehicles they have to navigate the world in, so they do not harm themselves.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEJust saw this... This is a really ****ed up and sketchy example to try to prove gender is completely fixed.
Are you male? Do you identify as a man? Is it important to you that other people see you as a man? Is there anything anyone could say to you to convince you otherwise?You have an internal sense of self, and it is fixed. David Reimer is proof of this.
As an infant, his penis was destroyed during circumcision, so he was sexually reassigned, and raised as a girl. Despite this, he knew he was a boy, and rejected his female socialization.
He did not know he was born male, he had no male genitals, and he still knew he was a boy. He was raised a girl, he had female genitals, and he still knew that was not his gender.
Some of you have had your gender so policed by external actors that you are terrified by the notion that your gender could be influenced, changed, or revoked by external factors.
If you know you are a man, you should also be secure in the knowledge that there is nothing that can change that.
For the record I'm not denying a biological root.I mentioned that biology is part of it. In most cases people's gender matches their sex... But there are of course outliers and exceptions.
Truth be told, if someone is determined enough to completely transition to the other gender, I can believe there's some deep psychological and probably biological root to that... But for all the gender queer and vaguely non binary types.. yes I think they're influenced by their peers. Drag Queens... Yes I think that's a leaned behavior.
I'm not at all insecure about my gender and frankly I spend 0 time thinking about it. I'm not even necessarily worried the kids will become trans. Just seems like a confusing and convoluted topic for them that isn't age appropriate.
Originally posted by Robtard
^ Moby Dick referenceWhat Surt doesn't understand because he never read the book, Ishamael in Melville's classic novel was a gay man who had a sexual romance with another male character named Queequeg 🙂
I did read it...it's a joke. Lighten up kiddo 🙂
And no I will not report you for yet another claim you can't back up. Wouldn't want you banned.
Originally posted by Robtardit's a book about obsession and how it can destroy you, if you cant move on too. Good Book!
^ Moby Dick referenceWhat Surt doesn't understand because he never read the book, Ishamael in Melville's classic novel was a gay man who had a sexual romance with another male character named Queequeg 🙂
Originally posted by Adam_PoEI don't care that they decide to do that.. but ultimately my point was that they are indulging a delusion because they don't know how to fix the delusion.
I do not think mental health professionals or transgender people necessarily disagree. However, we are limited to the tools we have. We cannot change the minds of people who are transgender, but we can change their bodies. So we do what we can to bring them more in alignment to ease their dysphoria. I do not think anyone is operating with the belief that cosmetic procedures are literally changing the biological sex of a person. They are making them more comfortable in the vehicles they have to navigate the world in, so they do not harm themselves.
What's your thoughts on the otherkin people btw?