Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
The scan clearly states in the first panel a break in the source wall has let something in.But all you're saying in defence is "which likely happens to be wrong". That isn't an argument. And I'd hardly call the people in that scan just magically gifted individuals. A bit more than that.
hey scot. the arc in jld is really strange and hard to reconcile with the source wall arc in jl. the otherkind actually come from sphere beyond the dark multiverse:
and fate wants to sacrifice himself and kill magic as a way of sealing the barrier between the dark multiverse and the dc prime one:
but is that barrier he's talking about the source wall? i....don't really know. it's not ever made completely clear--at least not yet.
abhi and i don't get along so well atm, but--going by the events and possible allusions hinted at in the jld--i can't definitively say he's wrong about the wall possibly being the barrier fate wants to 'repair'.
imo that is NOT the case, but the interpretation is not without some merit, based on the jld arc.
based on the arc in jl? i don't think it can be made any more clear that the term multiverse is intended to include the dark multiverse. perpetua literally describes it while describing the make-up of the multiverse:
that scan has been shown....too many times, with too many interpretations. lol you'd think we were looking for hidden themes in othello, or the illiad ffs instead of interpreting a comic. 👆
if we look at metal, everything in the story LED UP TO the breaking of the source wall, indicating, again, that the wall exists beyond the dark multiverse:
we see bruce mention the wall bounding the multiverse, and the multiverse as described by perpetua of course includes the dark. the others in the room with bruce ALSO mention that they now sense disturbances (flash in the speed force, ww in magic) as a RESULT of the wall breaking. there are other allusions to weird happenings in dc as a result of the breaking of the wall as well.
AT NO POINT IN METAL OR AFTERWARDS, IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT IT IS THE WALL THE SEPARATES THE PRIME MULTIVERSE FROM THE DM.
we also already know there exists a MEMBRANE separating the DM from the prime multiverse, and that the dm can be entered via specific dimensional frequencies, and that the actual location for the dm is close to the PHANTOM ZONE:
is the PZ ALSO outside the wall now....? further support that the multiverse that perpetua designed (and which is enclosed by the wall) is the fact that DREAM can enter the dark dimension as well:
we also have clear and proof that synder is using the map morrison designed--(the map appeared in both metal AND jl) and that map states CLEARLY that the source wall is the end of EVERYTHING in the multiverse--the multiverse as described and made by perpetua. and of course in dream's retelling of the history of the multiverse, he also includes the dark....
further proof that because of the wall breaking, the normal rules don't apply and odd things are happening? the 5th dimension is DYING and mxy is able to open a portal to the 6th, a dimension beyond even his comprehension:
one last thing: beyond the source wall is UNKNOWABLE, beyond even thought. but, as was elaborated on in metal, many people have known about the dm for a LONGGGGG time:
to suddenly suggest that the dm is ALSO beyond the wall makes the whole jl and metal arcs....meaningless. /shrug
the central idea of the last 3 years (imo) is the FURTHER exploration of the omniverse in dc. it started with the dm, now proceeds BEYOND it to the omniverse.
like i said though, the competing arc in jld is....weird. it's like jld and jl are working AGAINST each to see who can come up with the biggest threat. but, IMO, there is FAR FAR more support to suggest the dm is also enclosed behind the wall, then the opposite. some ambiguous allusions in a terrible jld arc aren't enough imo to outweigh the vast amounts of support that suggest the dm IS bounded by the wall.
imo: the breaking of the wall DAMAGED the boundaries between the dm and the prime multiverse. wonder woman hinted at the damage done to magic at the end of metal. because of that damage (the same damage KILLING the 5th d) the otherkind have been able to pass through and attempt to take over. it seems they'll take over a mutliverse destined to be destroyed by the judges though, so....joke's on them? lol? 😕
anyway, just my two cents. 👆
Yeah Abhi's actually WRONG like usual. about the dark multiverse existing "outside" out the wall
We the know the Dark Multiverse is inside the Source Wall, because its vibrational frequencies are slightly longer or slightly shorter than the Phantom Zone, which is inside the Source Wall. In addition, the Speed Force, which is also inside the Source Wall is touching the Dark Multiverse too. So since it (Speed Force) and the Phantom zone are vibrational neighbors of each other and the Dark Multiverse, that puts its vibration somewhere inside the Source Wall (because the Source Wall is the smallest wavelength of Vibrational realm).
Originally posted by leonidas
hey scot. the arc in jld is really strange and hard to reconcile with the source wall arc in jl. the otherkind actually come from sphere beyond the dark multiverse:and fate wants to sacrifice himself and kill magic as a way of sealing the barrier between the dark multiverse and the dc prime one:
but is that barrier he's talking about the source wall? i....don't really know. it's not ever made completely clear--at least not yet.
abhi and i don't get along so well atm, but--[b]going by the events and possible allusions hinted at in the jld
--i can't definitively say he's wrong about the wall possibly being the barrier fate wants to 'repair'.imo that is NOT the case, but the interpretation is not without some merit, based on the jld arc.
based on the arc in jl? i don't think it can be made any more clear that the term multiverse is intended to include the dark multiverse. perpetua literally describes it while describing the make-up of the multiverse:
that scan has been shown....too many times, with too many interpretations. lol you'd think we were looking for hidden themes in othello, or the illiad ffs instead of interpreting a comic. 👆
if we look at metal, everything in the story LED UP TO the breaking of the source wall, indicating, again, that the wall exists beyond the dark multiverse:
we see bruce mention the wall bounding the multiverse, and the multiverse as described by perpetua of course includes the dark. the others in the room with bruce ALSO mention that they now sense disturbances (flash in the speed force, ww in magic) as a RESULT of the wall breaking. there are other allusions to weird happenings in dc as a result of the breaking of the wall as well.
AT NO POINT IN METAL OR AFTERWARDS, IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT IT IS THE WALL THE SEPARATES THE PRIME MULTIVERSE FROM THE DM.
we also already know there exists a MEMBRANE separating the DM from the prime multiverse, and that the dm can be entered via specific dimensional frequencies, and that the actual location for the dm is close to the PHANTOM ZONE:
is the PZ ALSO outside the wall now....? further support that the multiverse that perpetua designed (and which is enclosed by the wall) is the fact that DREAM can enter the dark dimension as well:
we also have clear and proof that synder is using the map morrison designed--t(the map appeared in both metal AND jl) and that map states CLEARLY that the source wall is the end of EVERYTHING in the multiverse--the multiverse as described and made by perpetua. and of course in dream's retelling of the history of the multiverse, he also includes the dark....
further proof that because of the wall breaking, the normal rules don't apply and odd things are happening? the 5th dimension is DYING and mxy is able to open a portal to the 6th, a dimension beyond even his comprehension:
one last thing: beyond the source wall is UNKNOWABLE, beyond even thought. but, as was elaborated on in metal, many people have known about the dm for a LONGGGGG time:
to suddenly suggest that the dm is ALSO beyond the wall makes the whole jl and metal arcs....meaningless. /shrug
the central idea of the last 3 years (imo) is the FURTHER exploration of the omniverse in dc. it started with the dm, now proceeds BEYOND it to the omniverse.
like i said though, the competing arc in jld is....weird. it's like jld and jl are working AGAINST each to see who can come up with the biggest threat. but, IMO, there is FAR FAR more support to suggest the dm is also enclosed behind the wall, then the opposite. some ambiguous allusions in a terrible jld arc aren't enough imo to outweigh the vast amounts of support that suggest the dm IS bounded by the wall.
imo: the breaking of the wall DAMAGED the boundaries between the dm and the prime multiverse. wonder woman hinted at the damage done to magic at the end of metal. because of that damage (the same damage KILLING the 5th d) the otherkind have been able to pass through and attempt to take over. it seems they'll take over a mutliverse destined to be destroyed by the judges though, so....joke's on them? lol? 😕
janyway, ust my two cents. 👆 [/B]
Hey mate, I'm not good with long posts so I might miss a couple things haha but I'll quote bits to make it easier.
based on the arc in jl? i don't think it can be made any more clear that the term multiverse is intended to include the dark multiverse. perpetua literally describes it while describing the make-up of the multiverse:
You mean the part where she says "dark matter, rich with potential"? Or I'm guessing the "I set you to work int he dark of creation"? I can see your point in that regard. Though this scan already is quite ambiguous (not addressing this next paragraph to you directly).
Comics of course aren't going to always be "I did x therefore you are here which is5 metres to x".
If it was the Dark matter quote to me, that could just be describing a universes makeup but maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree there?
If its the "I set you..." quote then that of course becomes again ambiguous. If creation is used in the sense of everything in the Omniverse shall we say that Perpetua is aware of. Then being at the bottom of creation could be completely outside of the entire multiverse. It could be in a little nook and cranny in Valles Marineris. Even Mobius's. Though it is later elaborated that Mobius's function was to contain the rest from the overvoid. So we know his sphere of influence is beyond the Source Wwall but before the Overvoid. (Or have I read it completely wrong and he means that where they are standing is where Mobius wasruling). But to me at first glance that doesn't appear to be an antimatter Universe given the fact he teleports off.
Like when they say it closes them 3 from any universe from any direction within. Kind of shows there has to be realms beyond that right.
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Me being 100% honest I kind of lost track of what was being debated haha. I sort of stepped in at the other realms are part of the inside the source wall and not outside of it. I don't realy know what else to say now. Like you say it's like dissecting a great work of art, which while the comic is awesome. It's not like you say Othello or the Illiad.
Though it is later elaborated that Mobius's function was to contain the rest from the overvoid. So we know his sphere of influence is beyond the Source Wwall but before the Overvoid.
that was his realm's role BEFORE the wall was erected.... that's why he was so angry with the monitor:
now its the WALL that seals off everything from the overvoid. /shrug
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Who said it was outside?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/1c/ec/b61cecbf82879ba7870cf026b63e0b2e.jpgThis comic scan says they cannot and as it is the latest by the highest cosmic beings, must take precedence over the others
So yeah you're dishonest to the core.
You're taking one comment too far as it is.
Originally posted by leonidas
hey scot. the arc in jld is really strange and hard to reconcile with the source wall arc in jl. the otherkind actually come from sphere beyond the dark multiverse:and fate wants to sacrifice himself and kill magic as a way of sealing the barrier between the dark multiverse and the dc prime one:
but is that barrier he's talking about the source wall? i....don't really know. it's not ever made completely clear--at least not yet.
abhi and i don't get along so well atm, but--[b]going by the events and possible allusions hinted at in the jld
--i can't definitively say he's wrong about the wall possibly being the barrier fate wants to 'repair'.imo that is NOT the case, but the interpretation is not without some merit, based on the jld arc.
based on the arc in jl? i don't think it can be made any more clear that the term multiverse is intended to include the dark multiverse. perpetua literally describes it while describing the make-up of the multiverse:
Except it isn't, not in its current state. Both Justice League 22 and JLD are written by James Tynion IV after all. You can't take one and discard the other when it suits your agenda.
that scan has been shown....too many times, with too many interpretations. lol you'd think we were looking for hidden themes in othello, or the illiad ffs instead of interpreting a comic. 👆
if we look at metal, everything in the story LED UP TO the breaking of the source wall, indicating, again, that the wall exists beyond the dark multiverse:
No, it doesn't. The heroes lifted the earth to its proper multiverse and in process broke the Source Wall.
we see bruce mention the wall bounding the multiverse, and the multiverse as described by perpetua of course includes the dark. the others in the room with bruce ALSO mention that they now sense disturbances (flash in the speed force, ww in magic) as a RESULT of the wall breaking. there are other allusions to weird happenings in dc as a result of the breaking of the wall as well.
AT NO POINT IN METAL OR AFTERWARDS, IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT IT IS THE WALL THE SEPARATES THE PRIME MULTIVERSE FROM THE DM.
That scene in Justice League Dark is AFTER metal.
we also already know there exists a MEMBRANE separating the DM from the prime multiverse, and that the dm can be entered via specific dimensional frequencies, and that the actual location for the dm is close to the PHANTOM ZONE:
is the PZ ALSO outside the wall now....? further support that the multiverse that perpetua designed (and which is enclosed by the wall) is the fact that DREAM can enter the dark dimension as well:
we also have clear and proof that synder is using the map morrison designed--(the map appeared in both metal AND jl) and that map states CLEARLY that the source wall is the end of EVERYTHING in the multiverse--the multiverse as described and made by perpetua. and of course in dream's retelling of the history of the multiverse, he also includes the dark....
This is a lot of conjecture TBH. You're still to post a single proof that the Source Wall encircled the fifth or sixth dimension.
further proof that because of the wall breaking, the normal rules don't apply and odd things are happening? the 5th dimension is DYING and mxy is able to open a portal to the 6th, a dimension beyond even his comprehension:
one last thing: beyond the source wall is UNKNOWABLE, beyond even thought. but, as was elaborated on in metal, many people have known about the dm for a LONGGGGG time:
to suddenly suggest that the dm is ALSO beyond the wall makes the whole jl and metal arcs....meaningless. /shrug
There he goes, discarding anything that does not suits his agenda.
the central idea of the last 3 years (imo) is the FURTHER exploration of the omniverse in dc. it started with the dm, now proceeds BEYOND it to the omniverse.
like i said though, the competing arc in jld is....weird. it's like jld and jl are working AGAINST each to see who can come up with the biggest threat. but, IMO, there is FAR FAR more support to suggest the dm is also enclosed behind the wall, then the opposite. some ambiguous allusions in a terrible jld arc aren't enough imo to outweigh the vast amounts of support that suggest the dm IS bounded by the wall.
imo: the breaking of the wall DAMAGED the boundaries between the dm and the prime multiverse. wonder woman hinted at the damage done to magic at the end of metal. because of that damage (the same damage KILLING the 5th d) the otherkind have been able to pass through and attempt to take over. it seems they'll take over a mutliverse destined to be destroyed by the judges though, so....joke's on them? lol? 😕
anyway, just my two cents. 👆 [/B]
So, where is the proof of source wall encircling fifth and sixth dimension?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah Abhi's actually WRONG like usual. about the dark multiverse existing "outside" out the wallWe the know the Dark Multiverse is inside the Source Wall, because its vibrational frequencies are slightly longer or slightly shorter than the Phantom Zone, which is inside the Source Wall. In addition, the Speed Force, which is also inside the Source Wall is touching the Dark Multiverse too. So since it (Speed Force) and the Phantom zone are vibrational neighbors of each other and the Dark Multiverse, that puts its vibration somewhere inside the Source Wall (because the Source Wall is the smallest wavelength of Vibrational realm).
So much conjecture.
Originally posted by leonidas
that was his realm's role BEFORE the wall was erected.... that's why he was so angry with the monitor:now its the WALL that seals off everything from the overvoid. /shrug
And Nil is outside the multiverse. And when Mandrakk fell from overvoid, he went to Dark Multiverse which is also out of the multiverse.
There you go. Its after Metal too.
So does this look familiar?
Because it's direct copy paste of my argument.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Separating them (the multiverse) from the omniverse. Even Dark Multiverse is outside the Source Wall.That's how Upside Down Man came to Prime multiverse.
Shut up troll.
Enjoy as Albert steals your posts to spacebattles.
