Every Beyonder discussion has been about how he's millions of times bigger and more powerful than the entirety of Marvel, and in order to argue against that, you'd have to argue that DC is that much bigger, too, in terms of size/power
that is a pretty stupid stance to take. /shrug
the beyonder was a bit different though i guess in that he was the literal manifestation of his realm. the monitors for example, are not actual embodiments (ie conceptual entities representing the whole of their sphere). i GUESS beyonder (pre retcon) could be seen as being a form of abstract entity. maybe. anyway, this isn't an argument i've made, so.....
This is not a whatever, though. Hypertime came into being a decade after COIE -- if I sent you back in time right now, would you say the....let's say, 1990 DC Universe is equivalent with Marvel?
yes....depicted differently though but still filled with infinite worlds...
Would you say that one infinite Universe is equivalent with Marvel's infinite Multiverse?
but dc has never been just one universe....there have always been different worlds/dimensions/times whatever.
You're applying the knowledge you have right now about how DC has always been retroactively [Hypertime, upper dimensions comparisons etc], to argue that it's always been that size -- but knowing what you knew then, you wouldn't say the same.
but that's what the new map is--retroactively applied. we assume the outer spheres have always been in place. if the prime universe/es are small infinitesimal in comparison anyway, it really doesn't matter much how they have fluctuated--i mean from a comparison stand point. if the 3d worlds are almost imperceptible at the higher scales, what does it matter if they've grown some or shrank some--meaningless to the overall size of the multiverse, no?
and hypertime may have only been introduced, but again we need to look at it retroactively imo. but even if not, there were still infinite different worlds in dc. there always has been.
This is...obvious. Nobody argues that the size of DC as it was presented in the early 90s, is the same as it is presented now [and retroactively, technically, now that also makes it that big then, too].i'd have argued it. 👆
[quote]In DC, right now, you can go to the Monitor world, and observe the infinity of infinities inside an Orrery. Or you can go to the 4th world. Or you can go to the 5th dimension. You have infinity -- then infinity of infinities -- then infinities that makes the clusters of infinities look small etc.
i'd argue it's always been that way, just the infinities now are better defined and ordered and followed by writers.
before the prime universe was shattered by krona into the multiverse that first universe was as infinite as the later multiverse was imo. or at least i've always viewed it that way. the universe was the window, the fractured universes were shards. it's even been drawn that way.
marvel has a similar theory regarding the celestials creating the multiverse. marvel has simply never been as ordered as dc's set up right now. strange made mention of infinities within infinities when talking about the number of universes in the multiverse and even tried to talk about the number being TRANSFINITE. a silly number that i think the writer wanted to imply was GREATER than infinity.
again, my underlying assumption has been, and remains that the 2 companies are essentially the same size. just too many infinities to suggest otherwise imo.
