Worthy Cap vs. Kurse

Originally posted by carver9
This. You all are crazy and try to find any kind of way to downplay something for a character of your choice to win.

You must ignored this

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor is the god of thunder. His power is lightning, not strength. All asgardians are stronger than humans.

If I had lightning powers and I magically gave an ant my power then the ant would possess lightning powers, not the strength of a human.

Anyway, your post is contradicted by Cap being one shot koed (possibly killed) by Thanos. Cap having to use the shield to block blows by Thanos, where blows still affected Cap.
Fat Thor took many hits from Thanos without getting killed or koed.

This is a vast difference in durability. Either way, Cap gets the best durability he's shown. On screen feats count.

If Cap had the strength of Thor (which is not a power to asgardians) the explain why he got one shot koed (possibly killed) by a single punch from Thanos when an out of shape Thor got hit multiple times without being koed?

Originally posted by juggerman
Cap had Vibranium shields on his arms that seem to be specifically designed for striking. And Cap's shield isn't indestructible as it got destructed by Thanos fairly easily

Kinda missing the point methinks. You will have to post clips once available that show where Cap clearly has Thor level strength.

Originally posted by carver9
This. You all are crazy and try to find any kind of way to downplay something for a character of your choice to win.

Its on screen feats only here. Feats are not interchangeable between different characters.

Its no different to arguing Superman didnt display blitzing speed in MOS. We know now after Justice League that he can, but at that point he hadnt displayed it yet.

We dont know the specifics of the enchantment in the films.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Kinda missing the point methinks. You will have to post clips once available that show where Cap clearly has Thor level strength.

I don't think I missed the point but allow me to clarify. Cap's strikes against Thanos in Infinity War were a minor inconvenience at best. Thanos' head barely turned and with TWO hands and screaming with effort he couldn't even push Thanos' arm backwards, just halt it temporarily. And then one single punch dropped him

Compare that to his showing in Endgame. Yes he used the hammer but he also punched with the shield and kneed Thanos in the chest. His hits affected Thanos MUCH MORE. Even the shield seemed to do more than multiple strikes from his vibranium armored arms did. Now you can say the shield > the weird arm shields but they are made out of the same material and the arm shields were designed for striking meaning they would likely be more effective than his normal shield

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor is the god of thunder. His power is lightning, not strength. All asgardians are stronger than humans.

If I had lightning powers and I magically gave an ant my power then the ant would possess lightning powers, not the strength of a human.

Anyway, your post is contradicted by Cap being one shot koed (possibly killed) by Thanos. Cap having to use the shield to block blows by Thanos, where blows still affected Cap.
Fat Thor took many hits from Thanos without getting killed or koed.

This is a vast difference in durability. Either way, Cap gets the best durability he's shown. On screen feats count.

Wrong. Because if that were the case, then all Asgardians would operate at a similar range of strength, which isn't the case. Thor is clearly way stronger than the average Asgardian, just like Hela is way stronger than Thor. This becomes clear when you consider that Hela's body isn't as muscular as Thor, yet she effortlessly overpowers him. In other words, superstrength in Asgardians isn't related to their physiology or body condition (like humans).

W.Cap wasn't one shotted by Thanos! And you are still playing blindman at the fact that Cap's punches were hurting Thanos!

Again, unless you have SOLID evidence that Cap didn't got a strength boost, everything suggest it did

Originally posted by carver9
This. You all are crazy and try to find any kind of way to downplay something for a character of your choice to win.

I find it hilarious TBH. They are really trying hard to lowball something that is way evident.

Specially when you consider that Thanos was previously outpowering both IM, Thor and Cap, yet W.Cap manage to temporally outpower Thanos.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Wrong. Because if that were the case, then all Asgardians would operate at a similar range of strength, which isn't the case. Thor is clearly way stronger than the average Asgardian, just like Hela is way stronger than Thor. This becomes clear when you consider that Hela's body isn't as muscular as Thor, yet she effortlessly overpowers him. [B]In other words, superstrength in Asgardians isn't related to their physiology or body condition (like humans).

W.Cap wasn't one shotted by Thanos! And you are still playing blindman at the fact that Cap's punches were hurting Thanos!

Again, unless you have SOLID evidence that Cap didn't got a strength boost, everything suggest it did [/B]

Do all humans have the same level of strength?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Do all humans have the same level of strength?

No, but they lie within a given range of strength.

Also, strength is highly related to physiology and muscle size (Thor is difinitely way muscular than Hela).

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Except his arms aren't.

YouTube video

Give a nod at the first seconds of the clip. A granade launcher is able to send Cap flying back...

Are you saying a Granade Launcher can pack a greater punch than Thanos who is able to bring down Hulk in a couple of seconds?

All evidence points at W.Cap being stronger than his normal version.

Both Thors attack and Thanos' onslaught were concentrated to a single point on the shield.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Wrong. Because if that were the case, then all Asgardians would operate at a similar range of strength, which isn't the case. Thor is clearly way stronger than the average Asgardian, just like Hela is way stronger than Thor. This becomes clear when you consider that Hela's body isn't as muscular as Thor, yet she effortlessly overpowers him. [B]In other words, superstrength in Asgardians isn't related to their physiology or body condition (like humans).

It was also pretty clear that Caps most effective attacks against Thanos during their fight were either direct hits with the hammer or lightning (and even those didn't scratch him). The few shield attacks and punches he put out did almost nothing to Thanos. There's a reason he lost the fight the second Thanos got serious and knocked away the hammer.

Also, you still have yet to explain why Cap was taken out by two hits when Thor took so much more abuse and was still good to go.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
The grenade launcher isn't the same. That's an explosion that's distributed across a larger area. It didn't just knock back Cap. It destroyed the entire door frame. Caps shield wouldn't block the explosion from a nuke either.

Both Thors attack and Thanos' onslaught were concentrated to a single point on the shield.

That assumes you or anyone else has a clear understanding of how Asgardian physiology works (huge assumption). Maybe Odins line are just biologically superior (that would explain why he wouldn't endow Loki with the same strength and durability Hela and Thor had). Maybe it's something else.

It was also pretty clear that Caps most effective attacks against Thanos during their fight were either direct hits with the hammer or lightning (and even those didn't scratch him). The few shield attacks and punches he put out did almost nothing to Thanos. There's a reason he lost the fight the second Thanos got serious and knocked away the hammer.

Also, you still have yet to explain why Cap was taken out by two hits when Thor took so much more abuse and was still good to go.

I'm gonna give a general response to all of you, because I feel I'm repeating myself with all of you.

Honestly, what a joke. Your desperation to lowball the obvious is clear.

Either way, with this post I hope to finally put an end to your dishonorable crusade.

Evidence 1: Odin's explicit words

Odin Borson:

Whosoever holds this hammer, if he'd be worth it, shall possess the power of Thor

As many of you like to think in this forum (I personally disagree with), the simplest and less elavorate answer is always the real one. Odin's words are clear.

Thor lost his superstrength when he was unworthy and then gain it back.
You can speculate however you want, the fact is Thor became superstrong after being worthy.

Unless you bring solid evidence against that notion, Cap also became Thor superstrong when becoming Worthy

Evidence 2: Worthy Roggers vs Captain America

Anyone who is a fan of Marvel, moreover a fan of Captain America would realize how evident the powerboost was.

Evidence 2.1: Infinity War Captain America vs Worthy Cap

The first CLEAR AS CRYSTAL evidence can be found when comparing IW Cap with Worthy Cap. Using a simple apples to apples comparison, we can use Thanos as the metric.

Back at IW, Cap's punches and shield attacks were but an itch to Thanos. Thanos wasn't even bothered by Cap! Yet, in EG Cap's punches and shield attacks are clearly felt by Thanos!

Furthermore, back at IW a single punch from Thanos KOed Cap! Whilst in EG, Cap was taking enraged attacks from Thanos the same way Thor was!

YouTube video

Here I place the vid, you can compare it with W.Cap's kicks and shield attacks in the vid I'll place bellow.

Evidence 2.2: Captain America vs Worthy Cap

However, the easiest and most clear comparison lies in Engame itself. We can compare Cap's performance against Thanos before becoming Worthy and afterwards.

Clearly Cap got a strength boost.

YouTube video

- Minute 0:26, a single blow from Thanos' Infinity Sword send Cap flying back several meters.

- Minute 2:33, Thanos' IS attacks are being effectively blocked by Cap without this being outpowered.

I can bring many more evidence that Cap's regular strength isn't one to contend with a Hulk level strength. But i think this is enough to overwhelm any speculation or lowball you guys can bring

Cap's overall powerboost is WAY EVIDENT.

Unless you bring solid evidence to prove otherwise, everything suggest Cap got a strength boost. Speculation isn't evidence guys. The literal feats support my case

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No, but they lie within a given range of strength.

Also, strength is highly related to physiology and muscle size (Thor is difinitely way muscular than Hela).

And what proof do you have that Asgardians (Thor included) don't lie within a given strength range?

Originally posted by FrothByte
And what proof do you have that Asgardians (Thor included) don't lie within a given strength range?

Hela overwhelming Thor. Both are Asgardian aren't they?

If Asgardians' strength was related the same way humans' are, that would never had happened.

Firstly because in human physiology, men are stronger than women.

Secondly because bigger muscle>>>smaller muscle.

Hela outstrengthening Thor is like a housewife outstrengthening a bodybuilder. C'mon, obviously Asgardians' strength got nothing to do with their physiology/body complexity.

P.S. You forget Thor lost his strength when Odin took his power. Yet his body size and complexity was the same. So, his superstrength is a power.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Hela overwhelming Thor. Both are Asgardian aren't they?

If Asgardians' strength was related the same way humans' are, that would never had happened.

Firstly because in human physiology, men are stronger than women.

Secondly because bigger muscle>>>smaller muscle.

Hela outstrengthening Thor is like a housewife outstrengthening a bodybuilder. C'mon, obviously Asgardians' strength got nothing to do with their physiology/body complexity.

P.S. You forget Thor lost his strength when Odin took his power. Yet his body size and complexity was the same. So, his superstrength is a power.

That wasn't what I was asking. I said, what proof do you have that Asgardians aren't within similar strength range? Clearly Thor and Hela are in the same range.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That wasn't what I was asking. I said, what proof do you have that Asgardians aren't within similar strength range? Clearly Thor and Hela are in the same range.

Your entire premise lies with saying that Asgardians behave the same way humans do. I've already demolished that scenario.

Do you have evidence to suggest that, per say, Lady Sif can move Nidavellir's rings?

We debate on feats, unless you can prove common Asgardians can replicate Thor's strength, you're lost.

You have not demolished anything. Everyone here has said you are wrong.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
You have not demolished anything. Everyone here has said you are wrong.

Thor butthurt fanboys who can't get over the fact that Thor ain't longer Marvel's powerhouse.

I laugh at your foolishness.

Either prove that Cap wasn't boosted, or Marvel agrees with my stance.

P.S: Not everyone agrees with your bias.

Originally posted by juggerman
I don't think I missed the point but allow me to clarify. Cap's strikes against Thanos in Infinity War were a minor inconvenience at best. Thanos' head barely turned and with TWO hands and screaming with effort he couldn't even push Thanos' arm backwards, just halt it temporarily. And then one single punch dropped him

Compare that to his showing in Endgame. Yes he used the hammer but he also punched with the shield and kneed Thanos in the chest. His hits affected Thanos MUCH MORE. Even the shield seemed to do more than multiple strikes from his vibranium armored arms did. Now you can say the shield > the weird arm shields but they are made out of the same material and the arm shields were designed for striking meaning they would likely be more effective than his normal shield

Right okay, ill have to rewatch the fight, but if what youre saying is true it would suggest a strength amp.

Having Thor level strength though is another matter entirely.

@joshmanbaby

Kurse wins it doesn’t matter what you say.

I’m not a Thor 😂

I actually am a Captain America fan, but he didn’t beat Kurse.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
@joshmanbaby

Kurse wins it doesn’t matter what you say.

I’m not a Thor 😂

I actually am a Captain America fan, but he didn’t beat Kurse.

Kurse beating Thor doesn't mean he will beat Cap. Oh you are terrible at this.

Kurse has never endured a lightning strike nor has endured a direct hit from Mjolnir.

Cap wins Thor fanboy.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Kurse beating Thor doesn't mean he will beat Cap. Oh you are terrible at this.

Kurse has never endured a lightning strike nor has endured a direct hit from Mjolnir.

Cap wins Thor fanboy.