Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I feel bad for you, your incel rage has led you to this point.
Concession accepted, you are only a Kurse fanboy desperate to see his fav. character win.
Respects man, you have the right to fight for your ideologies, even if it leads you to ULTIMATE DEFEAT 😂
Now, if you excuse me, I got better things to do than to argue your fanaticisms.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohh, so Lady Sif who has a way thougher body than Hela can't move the rings, yet Hela can outpower Thor?What a joke. You're clearly desperate to lowball.
Unless you can prove all asgardians have similar strength levels, burden of proof is on you.
Uh, no dude. Burden of proof doesn't work that way. You're the one who claimed Thor was somehow above the normal strength range of Asgardians despite them all being the same species. Burden of proof is on you.
For my part, Sif has a feat of casually chucking a truck with a push of her foot. A small Asgardian farmer can easily crumple a tactical knife in his hand. Loki is strong enough to manhandle Thor at times. We have a deleted scene of Volstagg lifting a car with one hand. So although Thor has better strength feats, we have enough decent strength feats from other Asgardians to prove that they're not extremely far off.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Uh, no dude. Burden of proof doesn't work that way. You're the one who claimed Thor was somehow above the normal strength range of Asgardians despite them all being the same species. Burden of proof is on you.For my part, Sif has a feat of casually chucking a truck with a push of her foot. A small Asgardian farmer can easily crumple a tactical knife in his hand. Loki is strong enough to manhandle Thor at times. We have a deleted scene of Volstagg lifting a car with one hand. So although Thor has better strength feats, we have enough decent strength feats from other Asgardians to prove that they're not extremely far off.
I already proved that being of the same specie isn't a factor here.
Unless you have feats to prove that a common Asgardian can move Nidavellir's rings, then you are just joking arround here.
And even if you are right, that DOESN'T prove Cap didn't become as strong as Thor. So, you are wasting your time here.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I already proved that being of the same specie isn't a factor here.Unless you have feats to prove that a common Asgardian can move Nidavellir's rings, then you are just joking arround here.
And even if you are right, that DOESN'T prove Cap didn't become as strong as Thor. So, you are wasting your time here.
Thor didn't move the rings. He braced against the force that broke the ice that had them stuck. They moved under their own power.
We do not know how much force it took to break the ice. Remember the rings were supplying a force too. But the force of the ice was greater. Maybe 10 tons greater for all we know.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I already proved that being of the same specie isn't a factor here.Unless you have feats to prove that a common Asgardian can move Nidavellir's rings, then you are just joking arround here.
And even if you are right, that DOESN'T prove Cap didn't become as strong as Thor. So, you are wasting your time here.
Nope, you're moving goalposts again. I don't need to prove they can move the rings because I never said they were as strong as Thor. Same way I don't expect the average joe to accomplish Hafthor bjornsson's strength feats. That doesn't mean that Hafthor has magical strength or is somehow superhuman.
You claimed that Thor was so strong that he was in a completely different strength range. So prove it.
So far I've been giving you multiple examples to back my logic, you have given me zilch. Let me give you another one:
In TDW, we see 3 Asgardian soldiers match a Kursed one's strength. 4 Asgardian soldiers to overpower it. Thor was overpowered by one Kursed. Seems to me Thor isn't so far out of a regular Asgardian soldier's league.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor didn't move the rings. He braced against the force that broke the ice that had them stuck. They moved under their own power.We do not know how much force it took to break the ice. Remember the rings were supplying a force too. But the force of the ice was greater. Maybe 10 tons greater for all we know.
We debate on feats. Unless you can prove that other Asgardians can replicate Thor's strength feats, KMC rules nullify your arguments.
You can speculate all you want saying that they have the same strength level because they are the same specie. But that's all it is, SPECULATION.
Movie feats boys, not speculation.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Nope, you're moving goalposts again. I don't need to prove they can move the rings because I never said they were as strong as Thor. Same way I don't expect the average joe to accomplish Hafthor bjornsson's strength feats. That doesn't mean that Hafthor has magical strength or is somehow superhuman.You claimed that Thor was so strong that he was in a completely different strength range. So prove it.
So far I've been giving you multiple examples to back my logic, you have given me zilch. Let me give you another one:
In TDW, we see 3 Asgardian soldiers match a Kursed one's strength. 4 Asgardian soldiers to overpower it. Thor was overpowered by one Kursed. Seems to me Thor isn't so far out of a regular Asgardian soldier's league.
Speculation. Nothing else.
Thor was enduring Hela, who was easily outpowering normal Asgardians.
Your argument is irrelevant for the thread's debate.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
We debate on feats. Unless you can prove that other Asgardians can replicate Thor's strength feats, KMC rules nullify your arguments.You can speculate all you want saying that they have the same strength level because they are the same specie. But that's all it is, SPECULATION.
Movie feats boys, not speculation.
What strength feats? I can't replicate the strongest man on Earth strength feats yet he isn't superhuman.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Speculation. Nothing else.Thor was enduring Hela, who was easily outpowering normal Asgardians.
Your argument is irrelevant for the thread's debate.
How can it be speculation when I just gave you concrete proof?
Let me say it in simpler sentences so you can keep up:
3 Asgardians matched a Kursed one's strength. Thor was overpowered by 1 Kurse. Even if we assume that Thor is as strong as Kurse (he isn't) this clearly shows that Thor is roughly the same strength as 3 trained Asgardian soldiers. Personally I think he is stronger than that, but not so much that it would put Thor outside the strength range of Asgardians.
Now, stop speculating and show me your proof.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Speculation. Nothing else.Thor was enduring Hela, who was easily outpowering normal Asgardians.
Your argument is irrelevant for the thread's debate.
All you are doing is showing that Thor is stronger than most Asgardians. But you are not showing that he is so much stronger than it would be like a human against a superhuman.
Loki was able to challenge Thor in a contest of strength when they grappled. Thor didn't treat Loki as if he was magnitudes weaker.
Originally posted by FrothByte
How can it be speculation when I just gave you concrete proof?Let me say it in simpler sentences so you can keep up:
3 Asgardians matched a Kursed one's strength. Thor was overpowered by 1 Kurse. Even if we assume that Thor is as strong as Kurse (he isn't) this clearly shows that Thor is roughly the same strength as 3 trained Asgardian soldiers.
That would still put Thor is the same strength range as a normal Asgardian.
Now, stop speculating and show me your proof.
Even if you are right, they fall under the same strength range, how does this link to the Topic at hand?
I already proved that body complexity has nothing to do with Asgardian's strength, ergo, it's a power/magical attribute.
Originally posted by h1a8
All you are doing is showing that Thor is stronger than most Asgardians. But you are not showing that he is so much stronger than it would be like a human against a superhuman.Loki was able to challenge Thor in a contest of strength when they grappled. Thor didn't treat Loki as if he was magnitudes weaker.
See my reply to Froth.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is irrelevant as IMP rules already. Cap is his normal strength.
Imp can"t rule on that.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Even if you are right, they fall under the same strength range, how does this link to the Topic at hand?I already proved that body complexity has nothing to do with Asgardian's strength, ergo, it's a power/magical attribute.
You proved nothing. You gave a bit of speculation which was nothing but your opinion.
What this has to do with the thread is that I just proved Asgardians are super strong and durable without the need for magic, as we never see the regular Asgardian soldiers employ magic like Thor, Loki and Hela do. Heck, even Sif doesn't use magic.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You proved nothing. You gave a bit of speculation which was nothing but your opinion.What this has to do with the thread is that I just proved Asgardians are super strong and durable without the need for magic, as we never see the regular Asgardian soldiers employ magic like Thor, Loki and Hela do. Heck, even Sif doesn't use magic.
😂 All this time you were debating a dead end, I already proved that Asgardian strength got nothing to do with body complexity, ergo, its due to magic.
Muscles determine strength. If Asgardians were ruled by this, Hela would have never outpowered Thor.
You forget that Asgardians are magical beings.