General Grievous vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by h1a8
Logic? What are you talking about? It's not illogical for a superhuman to see a bullet in the air and run to try to intercept it.

So again, you have to prove that she followed the aim of the gun and not the actual bullets in the air.

That doesn't mean that the sideways movement of her body is bullet fast. Your fallacies won't be taken.

Doesn't matter, the guy isn't moving his arm at bullet speed. Regardless of what she was looking at, she will be moving in relation to the gun.

You clearly don't seem to comprenhend the scene.

Originally posted by KingD19
Okay, so then you're confusing what street-levelers do when they "Aim-Dodge" vs what Wonder Woman does, which is legitemate bullet timing. Because she didn't watch where he was shooting and then jump in between where she guessed the bullets were going. She literally watched them flying toward her and the hostages in slow motion, then blocked them when they got close enough. Those are two completely different things. That's like saying Quicksilver from Fox or MCU are predicting trajectories when they literally watched bullets flying by them in super slo-mo and had ample time to react.

You're downplaying Diana like hell and uplaying Grievous like a summbitch.

You're the only one who thinks he wins for a reason.

Nemebro said it best, he’s a “drooling retard.”

im a god

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
That doesn't mean that the sideways movement of her body is bullet fast. Your fallacies won't be taken.

Doesn't matter, the guy isn't moving his arm at bullet speed. Regardless of what she was looking at, she will be moving in relation to the gun.

You clearly don't seem to comprenhend the scene.

You have to prove that she is moving in relation to the gun and not reacting to the bullet already being in the air. You made the claim. So prove it.

Originally posted by h1a8
You have to prove that she is moving in relation to the gun and not reacting to the bullet already being in the air. You made the claim. So prove it.

What part of Diana having to move at the speed of the guy's arm movement don't you comprenhend?

In order for her to save all the hostages she needs to move her body at the speed at which the guy is changing target.

Moving slower than that would imply that the next hostage would be shot, moving faster than that would imply that she will be missing the shots.

And I should remind you that the burden of proof falls on the one trying to give attributes to characters

In any case, you need to prove that Diana can run as fast as a bullet.

Last chance h1. Prove your case or I guess this debate is over.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
What part of Diana [B]having to move at the speed of the guy's arm movement don't you comprenhend?

In order for her to save all the hostages she needs to move her body at the speed at which the guy is changing target.

Moving slower than that would imply that the next hostage would be shot, moving faster than that would imply that she will be missing the shots.

And I should remind you that the burden of proof falls on the one trying to give attributes to characters

In any case, you need to prove that Diana can run as fast as a bullet.

Last chance h1. Prove your case or I guess this debate is over. [/B]

What you are not considering is that he can fire first before she moves. She sees the bullet in the air and zips to the location of where the bullet is going.
She can do that multiple times in the sequence to achieve the same result.

You are claiming situation A happened when situation B is also possible.

Your argument should be that since A is possible then we can't be sure B is the case and therefore there is no evidence that Diana is bullet speed fast in travel speed.

Do you agree?

Originally posted by NemeBro
im a god

🙂

One thing is for sure, cry baby Josh ruined this forum.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it's possible to move in relation to the aim and still stop the bullets (you still have to move pretty phucking fast). But that doesn't mean that happened. The fallacy is you assuming that is what happened since that can also get the job done.

What you are not considering is that he can fire first before she moves. She sees the bullet in the air and zips to the location of where the bullet is going.
She can do that multiple times in the sequence to achieve the same result.

You are claiming situation A happened when situation B is also possible.

Your argument should be that since A is possible then we can't be sure B is the case and therefore there is no evidence that Diana is bullet speed fast in travel speed.

Do you agree?

I agree. But it's not my burden to prove that 'B' isn't the case, as it's the responsibility of the one giving special attributes to the character to prove such.

In other words, you need to prove that B is the case. As long as A is present, B isn't a fact but a possibility.

Since we have no further evidence that Diana as fast as a bullet, your whole case relies on possibility.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I agree. But it's not my burden to prove that 'B' isn't the case, as it's the responsibility of the one giving special attributes to the character to prove such.

In other words, you need to prove that B is the case. As long as A is present, B isn't a fact but a possibility.

Since we have no further evidence that Diana as fast as a bullet, your whole case relies on possibility.

Well the thread is really over since WW wins.
But let's say that it's a sword fight only. How was Obi Wan and other Jedi able to damage Grevious without them being as fast as WW?

Also slicing his hands/arms work too. No need to go for the body at first.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well the thread is really over since WW wins.
But let's say that it's a sword fight only. How was Obi Wan and other Jedi able to damage Grevious without them being as fast as WW?

Also slicing his hands/arms work too. No need to go for the body at first.

Obi Wan was the most powerful Jedi in the Soresu form, which was a sword fighting style that focused on defense rather than offense. The form was inteneded to take on highly offensive opponents (like is the case of Grievous) and wait for a weakness to appear in order to exploit it.

Furthermore, Obi Wan was highly skilled in pre cognition, which was the power of seeing into the future attacks of the opponent.

Obi Wan defeated Grievous because of his special fighting style and his ability of the Force to predict Grievous' attacks, not because he was faster.

Other Jedi actually had a bad time facing Grievous. That's why Grievous killed so many of them. Most of them were forced to use the Force on Grievous in order to face him.

Lastly, as I've already pointed over and over again, Diana has no sword combat feats whatsoever.

You yourself pointed out how weak Grievous was after Windu crushed his chest cavity in the CW cartoon. Also, explain Jedi getting hit then, as pre-cog wasnt an infallible technique in battle. Obi-Wan had trouble with Jango Fett and multiple normal people in the claymation cartoon since you want to use a Grievous with feats the movie version literally cant do anymore.

Also Grievous fights incredibly slow in the movie. I can put up compartive fight videos that show how easy Diana will whoop him, but Josh is gonna ignore them because clearly he wants the General to win. Even though Diana already beat one. 😉

Oh and he has absolutely no defense for her shockwave attack, which she can use whenever she wants.

Originally posted by KingD19
Also Grievous fights incredibly slow in the movie. I can put up compartive fight videos that show how easy Diana will whoop him, but Josh is gonna ignore them because clearly he wants the General to win. Even though Diana already beat one. 😉

Oh and he has absolutely no defense for her shockwave attack, which she can use whenever she wants.

He’s going to lie and misrepresent he can’t do anything else.

Originally posted by KingD19
You yourself pointed out how weak Grievous was after Windu crushed his chest cavity in the CW cartoon. Also, explain Jedi getting hit then, as pre-cog wasnt an infallible technique in battle. Obi-Wan had trouble with Jango Fett and multiple normal people in the claymation cartoon since you want to use a Grievous with feats the movie version literally cant do anymore.

That's why I said I am not debating ROTS Grievous, as I believe he was weaker than prior to meeting Windu.

Well, you are right, Obi Wan defeating Grievous was also due to this last one being weaker.

Regardless, Obi Wan was the most suitable to face him. That's why the Jedi Council decided him to go hunt Grievous, as he was the most suitable for the task (besides other OP characters like Windu and Yoda ofcourse).

Originally posted by KingD19
Also Grievous fights incredibly slow in the movie. I can put up compartive fight videos that show how easy Diana will whoop him, but Josh is gonna ignore them because clearly he wants the General to win. Even though Diana already beat one. 😉

Oh and he has absolutely no defense for her shockwave attack, which she can use whenever she wants.

If you were to read my posts instead of just angrily attack anyone who disagrees with your opinion (as most fanboys in this forum), perhaps this thread would have ended long ago.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Obi Wan was the most powerful Jedi in the Soresu form, which was a sword fighting style that focused on defense rather than offense. The form was inteneded to take on highly offensive opponents (like is the case of Grievous) and wait for a weakness to appear in order to exploit it.

Furthermore, Obi Wan was highly skilled in pre cognition, which was the power of seeing into the future attacks of the opponent.

Obi Wan defeated Grievous because of his special fighting style and his ability of the Force to predict Grievous' attacks, not because he was faster.

Other Jedi actually had a bad time facing Grievous. That's why Grievous killed so many of them. Most of them were forced to use the Force on Grievous in order to face him.

Lastly, as I've already pointed over and over again, Diana has no sword combat feats whatsoever.

What's easier, predicting someone's attacks while yourself being slow or them being a statue and moving in almost frozen motion to you?

You contradicted yourself. You stated that Diana couldn't get through his fast swinging sabers because she isn’t fast enough. In other words, it takes speed and not skill to get through them. The same reasoning would prevent a Jedi from doing the same, regardless of pre cog abilities since they are significantly slower.

Originally posted by h1a8
What's easier, predicting someone's attacks while yourself being slow or them being a statue and moving in almost frozen motion to you?

You contradicted yourself. You stated that Diana couldn't get through his fast swinging sabers because she isn’t fast enough. In other words, it takes speed and not skill to get through them. The same reasoning would prevent a Jedi from doing the same, regardless of pre cog abilities since they are significantly slower.

Predicting and seeing into the future are two different things. Diana seeing thinks in slow motion doesn't mean she can react to them, as you still haven't proven she can move at speedblitzing speeds.

You have no basis of evidence to say that Diana can move faster than a Jedi. What's worse, Diana doesn't have the sword skills to even contest a Jedi.

So, Diana doesn't have the speed nor the skill.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Predicting and seeing into the future are two different things. Diana seeing thinks in slow motion doesn't mean she can react to them, as you still haven't proven she can move at speedblitzing speeds.

You have no basis of evidence to say that Diana can move faster than a Jedi. What's worse, Diana doesn't have the sword skills to even contest a Jedi.

So, Diana doesn't have the speed nor the skill.

Stop nitpicking. You should know what I mean when I say predicting. Future seeing (although Jedi don't do that).

You are missing the point. Your argument is that Diana couldn't get close enough to tag Grevious because she isn't fast enough to get through the swinging blades. Well Jedi that were a lot slower damaged Grevious.

Skill is irrelevant if someone is not fast enough to get through swinging blades. Think of a fan. You can't put your hand through without getting cut no matter your skill level. That’s because you don't have the necessary speed.

So you contradicted yourself.

And when the Jedi damaged Grevious they did not use any speed blitz forward maneuver. They just stood in one location and managed to tag him.

No Jedi that damaged Grevious was shown to be faster than Diana.

So if Diana perceptions have Grevious as a near statue then she can tag Grevious far easier than those Jedi.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Predicting and seeing into the future are two different things. Diana seeing thinks in slow motion doesn't mean she can react to them, as you still haven't proven she can move at speedblitzing speeds.

You have no basis of evidence to say that Diana can move faster than a Jedi. What's worse, Diana doesn't have the sword skills to even contest a Jedi.

So, Diana doesn't have the speed nor the skill.

Stop nitpicking. You should know what I mean when I say predicting. Future seeing (although Jedi don't do that).

You are missing the point. Your argument is that Diana couldn't get close enough to tag Grevious because she isn't fast enough to get through the swinging blades. Well Jedi that were a lot slower damaged Grevious.

Skill is irrelevant if someone is not fast enough to get through swinging blades. Think of a fan. You can't put your hand through without getting cut no matter your skill level. That's because you don't have the necessary speed.

So you contradicted yourself.

And when the Jedi damaged Grevious they did not use any speed blitz forward maneuver. They just stood in one location and managed to tag him.

No Jedi that damaged Grevious was shown to be faster than Diana.

So if Diana perceptions have Grevious as a near statue then she can tag Grevious far easier than those Jedi.

And seeing shit nearly frozen does mean you can react to the motion. Wtf is your dumb ass thinking. Diana reacts to bullets because she sees then in slow motion.

Originally posted by h1a8
Stop nitpicking. You should know what I mean when I say predicting. Future seeing (although Jedi don't do that).

You are missing the point. Your argument is that Diana couldn't get close enough to tag Grevious because she isn't fast enough to get through the swinging blades. Well Jedi that were a lot slower damaged Grevious.

Skill is irrelevant if someone is not fast enough to get through swinging blades. Think of a fan. You can't put your hand through without getting cut no matter your skill level. That's because you don't have the necessary speed.

So you contradicted yourself.

And when the Jedi damaged Grevious they did not use any speed blitz forward maneuver. They just stood in one location and managed to tag him.

No Jedi that damaged Grevious was shown to be faster than Diana.

So if Diana perceptions have Grevious as a near statue then she can tag Grevious far easier than those Jedi.

And seeing shit nearly frozen does mean you can react to the motion. Wtf is your dumb ass thinking. Diana reacts to bullets because she sees then in slow motion.

Except you are ignoring the fact that the Jedi were blocking Grievous' offense, which actually requires skill!

They weren't just avoiding all Grievous' attacks and breaching his defense!

Diana has nor the skill nor the body speed to avoid all of Grievous' attacks.

Originally posted by h1a8
Stop nitpicking.

And seeing shit nearly frozen does mean you can react to the motion.

Wtf is your dumb ass thinking.

😂😂

He really is