Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Most of the time they're not at Planetary Levels, it's because they're holding back. So no, holding back is an important factor. Typical Surfer and Odin aren't going anywhere close to all out. And I wouldn't call Odin with Gungnir "typical Odin" either. The rest of my post still stands.
I disagree. We go by writer's intent.
Characters are only holding back if the comic states or writer alludes to it.
Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Not really. Thor has stated many times that he holds back against mortals. So, when he fights a random moral, we can assume that he's not going all out unless there's further context. Superman has a similar thing. If anything, characters are only going all out of it's stated or alluded to.
The comics stated it therefore Thor held back against mortals.
Originally posted by GenghisJuan
The comics stated Surfer holds back as well, so what's your point? And while Odin doesn't necessarily have statements of holding back, when he tells his opponent they're a great/worthy foe and he needs to take out Gungnir, which is arguably an amp, it's fair to say he was fighting at his peak.
Surfer is only holding back when it is alluded to by the writer. Otherwise, writer's intent is Surfer is giving his all. Which has nothing to do with Surfer not using Planetary blasts on Thanos.
Supergirl was straining on less than 100 tons. While when lifting 500,000 ton key she didnt bat an eye. Why is that?
Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Again, that just an inconsistency. I explained this. We don't assume Superman is paper level in every instance nor we take him as Multiversal. We find a mid-end between his feats that can be taken as the power he's exerting when he's serious. I covered most of that already.
So you agree that characters operate at different levels at different times while exerting their full might.
Good.
So if we go off typical Surfer, he never blasted Thanos with planet busting power. Writers at that time didnt believe Surfer had that level of power. Thats why so many members here on kmc thought Galactus amped Surfer when he did that feat.
If we go off typical Odin (over 90% of his fights) then he does blast with planet busting power either.
Therefore to assume both were using planet busting force against Thanos is illogical.
Originally posted by GenghisJuanSurfer never exhibited that amount of power until YEARS after his confrontations with Thanos. Why do you think the majority of us thought Surfer was amped when he first blew up a planet? At that time that feat was astronomically more than he ever did.
Peak Surfer is treated at those levels. If you don't think peak Surfer is treated at those levels, then your point for his planetary feats being a reason for winning is moot. "Typical Odin" he had Gungnir, so no, it's not typical Odin. Surfer said yes, he did give all he got. So again, no.
Typical Odin with Gugnir. Is that better?
Originally posted by GenghisJuan
When do you think Surfer first showed Planetary power? And regardless, it's still the same Surfer.
When Galactus renewed his power. That's why we thought it was an amp.
Same Surfer has no relevance to different power levels in different scenes. It was the same Supergirl.
Originally posted by h1a8I’m not posting scans for you just ignore them. There are no issue numbers as I was a ongoing graphic novel you idiot.
So no issue numbers or scans to support your argument?
But insults?Flaming and trolling at the same time.
It’s all you ever deserve because you’re a bias ignorant troll.
Surfer holding back against Odin is batshit.
It was established that regular Thor was the most powerful hero in the Marvel Universe at the time and as strong as Drax with PG who’s strength was basically limitless. Drax was physically as strong as Surfer is powerful. So basically, even without Mjolnir, Thor is a match for Surfer. You can see how this means Surfer is basically a punching bag when he’s facing someone that strong and even more powerful. This plays out when crazy Thor beat the utter shit out of Surfer. IW and everyone else multiple times. At one point, Surfer specifically stops holding back. This whole sequence of events was overseen by Starlin and Surfer’s own writers like Ron Marz. All those cool Surfer feats like him and Morg busting planets, draining the Sun, flying way FTL, smashing a black hole, etc. we’re all done under these guys.
The same force block that held crazy Thor, Odin easily
Smashed. Odin had even higher levels in that story than when he fought Thanos when he tried curing Thor.
So we’ve established FP Odin >>> Odin >>> Crazy Thor >>> Thor > Surfer.
By the time you get to Odin, Surfer is Yamacha trying to fight Frieza. Odin wasn’t even phased by Thanos/Surfer and he easily one-shot him. If Thanos, who is Surfer’s pimp, lost to Odin and had no hope of injuring him, why would Surfer hold back?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Surfer holding back against Odin is batshit.It was established that regular Thor was the most powerful hero in the Marvel Universe at the time and as strong as Drax with PG who’s strength was basically limitless. Drax was physically as strong as Surfer is powerful. So basically, even without Mjolnir, Thor is a match for Surfer. You can see how this means Surfer is basically a punching bag when he’s facing someone that strong and even more powerful. This plays out when crazy Thor beat the utter shit out of Surfer. IW and everyone else multiple times. At one point, Surfer specifically stops holding back. This whole sequence of events was overseen by Starlin and Surfer’s own writers like Ron Marz. All those cool Surfer feats like him and Morg busting planets, draining the Sun, flying way FTL, smashing a black hole, etc. we’re all done under these guys.
The same force block that held crazy Thor, Odin easily
Smashed. Odin had even higher levels in that story than when he fought Thanos when he tried curing Thor.So we’ve established FP Odin >>> Odin >>> Crazy Thor >>> Thor > Surfer.
By the time you get to Odin, Surfer is Yamacha trying to fight Frieza. Odin wasn’t even phased by Thanos/Surfer and he easily one-shot him. If Thanos, who is Surfer’s pimp, lost to Odin and had no hope of injuring him, why would Surfer hold back?
Who stated anyone was holding back?