Read the stips!! Batman/Punisher vs Thor

Recovered? Pretty sure the pressure point attacks did zero. One attack even went as far as supposedly able to immobilize him forever. And as far as this thread is concerned it really did zero in that scan. The whole pressure point tactic was brought up because it really is the only way to bypass thor's massive advantage when it comes to durability n damage soak. The duo really cant do anythink outside of "pressure points".
And the one time it worked was from a character who has "plot devicey" i think someone said earlier, space fu. Lets be honest, Frank is not doing space fu here even with adamntium. Bats, maybe could do pis fu? If thats the argument then one can say they would have to bypass Thor's best durability/damage soak feats.
Hanging in suns, soaking celestial damage, soaking beyonder damage, neutron star gravity, absorbing an infinite amount of necro substance.... I could go on. Hmm.. I wonder how many pressure points that necro goo hit inside of him. Lemme see... Enough necro matter too kill all gods for all time, eating him from the inside.

Jesus Christ, celery.

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And yet each attack was useless all the same.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Recovered? Pretty sure the pressure point attacks did zero. One attack even went as far as supposedly able to immobilize him forever. And as far as this thread is concerned it really did zero in that scan. The whole pressure point tactic was brought up because it really is the only way to bypass thor's massive advantage when it comes to durability n damage soak. The duo really cant do anythink outside of "pressure points".
And the one time it worked was from a character who has "plot devicey" i think someone said earlier, space fu. Lets be honest, Frank is not doing space fu here even with adamntium. Bats, maybe could do pis fu? If thats the argument then one can say they would have to bypass Thor's best durability/damage soak feats.
Hanging in suns, soaking celestial damage, soaking beyonder damage, neutron star gravity, absorbing an infinite amount of necro substance.... I could go on. Hmm.. I wonder how many pressure points that necro goo hit inside of him. Lemme see... Enough necro matter too kill all gods for all time, eating him from the inside.

You see it that way, but Thor didn't fight back in the following panel AND his thought bubble dialogue does not support your stance on it did zero. Is there something else to say Thor was unaffected from another page? Otherwise blinders.

Batman has the feats to hurt people in Thor's tier. No, I'm not arguing it's the norm. Like I said to AJA about people arguing high end feats for their preferred characters but then screaming "PIS!!" when it's someone going against their preferred character. I can't speak for Punisher on that though.

As for Mantis, have anything to back it up being Space Fu? I'm certainly open to it being that, I've thought similar things of some Top-Tier brick durability feats(where their pressure points would definitely be hit) but still get hurt by a strike. But Wonder Woman has similar examples(nukes and arguably a black hole), Batman has still hurt her. High end Batman, yes, but still canon and enough it can't be ignored like they don't exist. It's not if Batman can take out Thor with a single pressure point/nerve strike attack or high end strike. Can he take down Thor with enough before Thor takes him down?

But apparently you didn't pay attention to the topic, because there's other fights too. Of Batman and Punisher given adamantium knives. I don't see defense for Thor against that. There's examples given of him being hurt with normal blades. I've seen other examples that I noted. I also noted there's some where he does well against blades and projectiles, but not enough to convince me he can't be hurt by even normal humans with adamantium knives. And I don't recall you even touching the topic of everyone gets a knife, that they just need to hit their opponent a total of 10 times(though for Thor it would be 10 for each opponent) to win. Unless I missed something, is your confidence in Thor is so low you can't even argue him hitting two normal humans 10 times each before they hit him 10 times total?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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And yet each attack was useless all the same.

U never used to be a lackey. U were once a man of independent thought. Be free of this malady. Return to us. Return to kmc.

You actually think Thor tanked those with no effect.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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And yet each attack was useless all the same.

U never used to be a lackey. U were once a man of independent thought. Be free of this malady. Return to us. Return to kmc.

I still bash Superman and other garbage characters from DC, cel.

Certainly his attacks affected Thor to a degree, otherwise Man-Beast wouldn't have a chance to monologue after he finished his deadly karate combo on Thor's sorry ass:

Ic. We r quibbling over semantics. My main point was immobilization. Mainly becuz of mantis.

If u guys r saying it did some effect, even a little something then yeah maybe i guess. To me it was so insignificant that the whole pressure point thing in respect to that scan was useless against him. Might as well hit him with conventional attacks because those multiple pressure pressure point attacks were pretty much ineffectual.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ic. We r quibbling over semantics. My main point was immobilization. Mainly becuz of mantis.

If u guys r saying it did some effect, even a little something then yeah maybe i guess. To me it was so insignificant that the whole pressure point thing in respect to that scan was useless against him. Might as well hit him with conventional attacks because those multiple pressure pressure point attacks were pretty much ineffectual.

Not really semantics. Man-Beast just stood there for a panel to talk about how great he is before Thor got up and attacked. Could he have finished Thor if he continued attacking? Maybe, maybe not. But to say it was "ineffectual" is factually wrong. I don't know how strong Man-Beast is actually supposed to be, I know superhumanly strong but what level? But officially he's supposed to be stronger than Batman whether he has the feats to back it or not.

Seems his skill was supposed to be Space Fu too, or I guess we should call it "Future Fu," but writer intent while it matters only goes so far. Did he have other showings to support his skill actually being something practically supernatural beyond what was said? Maybe because of Thor's own internal thoughts support it being more than just regular Karate. But other than that it would be a circular argument.

As for hitting him with regular attacks, well like I said, Batman does have the feats to hurt Top-Tier bricks. Look at the stipulations and the other fights. I think the point of this is Thor fans argue he's got such great skill and has super speed, well here's a chance to prove it. I think DS even said something like that, but I'm too lazy to go back and see. 😆 I mean I don't even see anyone defending Thor on the other two fights. Unless you're all just so fixated on the first fight and oblivious to the point of the topic, I would have to say you guys don't actually have the feats to back Thor's skill and speed to be what it's hyped up to be. Especially since his durability against sharp and pointy stuff is questionable to be generous.

Would it be easier if I made a new topic duplicating this except with Thor having normal strength and durability? I'll even change it to regular knives since Thor would have normal human durability.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I can't speak for Punisher on that though.

Frank relies on weaponry most often (he only needed a knife against crooks wearing Iron Man suits --- which is what makes him a great asset in rounds 2 and 3), but he also has retarded feats when basically unarmed, like against frenzied Tiger Shark, choking him out with a broken chain, even though TS was standing belt-deep in water...

Or when he fought evenly against the son of Kraven, who was strong enough to one-shot berserk Rhino...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Frank relies on weaponry most often (he only needed a knife against crooks wearing Iron Man suits --- which is what makes him a great asset in rounds 2 and 3), but he also has retarded feats when basically unarmed, like against frenzied Tiger Shark, choking him out with a broken chain, even though TS was standing belt-deep in water...

Or when he fought evenly against the son of Kraven, who was strong enough to one-shot berserk Rhino...

👆 there's a reason I chose adamantium Ka-Bar knives, rather than swords or what have you - I thought I'd give Frank the advantage of a weapon he's trained extensively with.

Still worth noting no one is arguing for Thor in the other two fights.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Batman has hurt, even KOed Wonder Woman by hitting her. At least 3 times. One time she was arguably amped. He's beaten up Solomon Grundy a couple times. So yes, he has the feats of hurting or even outright KOing Top-Tier bricks. No, they're not the norm. But neither are feats people argue for Thor. If anyone argued feats of a Top-Tier doing well against or beating a Skyfather or higher, but then dismisses Batman(or any Street Level) hurting/KOing a Top-Tier because it's "PIS" then they're a hypocrite. Not what they normally do? Sure, but they're just as valid as high end combat showings from Top-Tiers.

Everybody has pis moments, including Spidey and Cap. doesn't mean it's applicable

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Everybody has pis moments, including Spidey and Cap. doesn't mean it's applicable

So why do you (and others) consider Batman and Frank's showings to be PIS.....

But not Thor?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If not....why not?

I mean, we already have a ruling on the minimum speed of Thor (i.e he is at least faster than a human). From the responses here, its sounding like he's not 4x faster than a human....so that's a max speed right there.

Sorry for the late reply.

What would be the ruling, exactly? To put a max limit on Thor's speed? There'd really be no point, and it isn't helped by those instances (rare as they are) where Thor exceeds said limits.

The rules and rulings have almost always been more about taking away lows than limiting highs.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Everybody has pis moments, including Spidey and Cap. doesn't mean it's applicable

So you'll stop using high end combat showings for Thor or anyone else?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Frank relies on weaponry most often (he only needed a knife against crooks wearing Iron Man suits --- which is what makes him a great asset in rounds 2 and 3), but he also has retarded feats when basically unarmed, like against frenzied Tiger Shark, choking him out with a broken chain, even though TS was standing belt-deep in water...

Or when he fought evenly against the son of Kraven, who was strong enough to one-shot berserk Rhino...

Isn't Tiger Shark supposed to be on par with Namor? And that normal for Kraven's son? If so om both, yep retarded feats. Comics are fun.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Isn't Tiger Shark supposed to be on par with Namor?

Yes.

Originally posted by Delta1938
And that normal for Kraven's son? If so om both, yep retarded feats. Comics are fun.

He didn't have too many appearances, so it's hard to gauge what's "normal" for him.

He one-shotted Rhino in the very same arc he fought the Punisher in, though. So I'm not cherry-picking any feats, just saying at what power level he operated at during that specific period.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 there's a reason I chose adamantium Ka-Bar knives, rather than swords or what have you - I thought I'd give Frank the advantage of a weapon he's trained extensively with.

Still worth noting no one is arguing for Thor in the other two fights.

Yeah, I figured.

Frank knows how to wield the sword, though:

Originally posted by Delta1938
Isn't Tiger Shark supposed to be on par with Namor? And that normal for Kraven's son? If so om both, yep retarded feats. Comics are fun.

No way. Tiger Shark kept getting pwned by Atlas in Thunderbolts. Namor would beat Atlas down as easily as Herc or Simon Phoenix did.

TS is a jobber villain, Namor is a big superstar hero.

But they are in the same tier:

https://i.imgur.com/tdv1FZr.jpg

Originally posted by cdtm
Namor would beat Atlas down as easily as Herc or Simon Phoenix did.

Remember Luke Cage?

That black dude you masturbate to regularly?

Same guy who fought and bloodied Namor underwater for a while?

Atlas did this to him:

You're welcome, Wonder Man Junior.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes.

He didn't have too many appearances, so it's hard to gauge what's "normal" for him.

He one-shotted Rhino in the very same arc he fought the Punisher in, though. So I'm not cherry-picking any feats, just saying at what power level he operated at during that specific peroid

Yeah, so even if it's a high end feat for Kraven's son, same "version" Punisher faced. Let's see who starts calling PIS on this.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So you'll stop using high end combat showings for Thor or anyone else?

Thor holds back his speed on earth, so no.