Originally posted by carver9
Unless Thor isnt bright, he ends this fight as soon as it starts. Thunderclap that would drop both, then walk over to each and finish the job. Easy win for him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No groundquakes or shockwaves or t claps. He's fighting with honour, attempting to slash them before they slash him.
Round 3 should be a stomp for them.
Thor has some sword feats, that's it. Like beating Lady Sif in a sparring, when they were kids.
Punisher massacred a whole squad of Hood's enhanced goons... after he surrendered to them (mistaking them for cops), when they were about to execute him with gunfire... 😐
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Weird petulance?I'm surprised at that assessment. I genuinely think a case can be made for 3, and yes, for 1 and 2. Not petulance - Batman and Frank have the showings. Thor has the showings.
It's not about lifting or punching strength here. Nor is it about durability (adamantium and pressure points negate that in comics). The duo have the skills and the speed, I think, to win 3, and is debatable (as all good matchups should be) for rounds 1&2.
Batman is severely nerfed by having no gadgets, Thor cannot use long range or storm/electrical powers, and has no Mjolnir. Punisher has no weapons sans knife in 2&3.
No one arguing for Thor 'stomping' has shown any scans proving he can 100% be immune to pressure point attacks. Nor have they shown any scans proving 100% that he can slash 20x before they each slash 5x.
Instead we are seeing 'ground pounds', 'thunderclap spams', AoE attacks.... essentially, everything to ensure Thor isn't going up close and personal with these guys.
When up close and personal is how he usually fights, he just doesn't get his energy attacks.
Put it this way. If I made a Thor vs Batman/Punisher thread, and stipulated strength and durability were equalised.....this wouldn't be an issue.
My point is that strength and durability are negated by my original stips anyway.
I completely disagree, and I genuinely think you're singling out Thor because you just don't like him. Or because you want to get a rise out of certain people.
The only reason I haven't closed it yet is because I'm wanting to be proven wrong and to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I completely disagree, and I genuinely think you're singling out Thor because you just don't like him. Or because you want to get a rise out of certain people.The only reason I haven't closed it yet is because I'm wanting to be proven wrong and to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Nope, your assessment is incorrect in that I dislike Thor - I'm not a guy who dislikes a character (they're fictional). To get a rise out of certain posters may be a more accurate assessment, relatively, but still incorrect. In my BZ ruling, I gave the win to Thor, for example.
If anything, I WANT Thor supporters to make a good, balanced case for him - not this 'Thor stomps' two word posts.
Thor has one of the best energy manipulators in comics. No question. His strength and durability have been argued over and over again (in fact, search my post history - I am one of the few to argue he is as strong as Superman , if we want to bring THAT guy in. I've also argued FOR his durability. Here, in this thread, I completely agree his strength and durability is way WAY above Bruce and Frank's.
In my thread, I am trying to get people to debate his OTHER attributes. His speed, his fighting skills, his experience. I didn't want another thread where if attributes like strength were equalised, some smart aleck comes in and says well Thor has less experience fighting at human levels, so loses - or some technicality like that.
Tl;Dr: the team have weapons, techniques and stips that bypass his durability.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Round 3 You could argue Thor losing seeing as Batman's great in cqc, and with his experience at fighting dozen of gods like Darkseid, etc over the yearsand then the Adamanatium gear which should be effective against Thor
Plus Frank, who's handy himself with a knife.
It's actually a good balanced thread, you lot.
Rd 1: Thor stomps if points don't work, Team.,....wins if they do?
Rd2: 50/50
Rd3: Team wins.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope, your assessment is incorrect in that I dislike Thor - I'm not a guy who dislikes a character (they're fictional). To get a rise out of certain posters may be a more accurate assessment, relatively, but still incorrect. In my BZ ruling, I gave the win to Thor, for example.If anything, I WANT Thor supporters to make a good, balanced case for him - not this 'Thor stomps' two word posts.
Thor has one of the best energy manipulators in comics. No question. His strength and durability have been argued over and over again (in fact, search my post history - [b]I am one of the few to argue he is as strong as Superman
, if we want to bring THAT guy in. I've also argued FOR his durability. Here, in this thread, I completely agree his strength and durability is way WAY above Bruce and Frank's.In my thread, I am trying to get people to debate his OTHER attributes. His speed, his fighting skills, his experience. I didn't want another thread where if attributes like strength were equalised, some smart aleck comes in and says well Thor has less experience fighting at human levels, so loses - or some technicality like that.
Tl;Dr: the team have weapons, techniques and stips that bypass his durability. [/B]
I honestly just can't wrap my head around it, tbh. What exactly is supposed to bypass his durability? A couple of adamantium sticks? Pressure point attacks that are more outliers than average attacks?
It really, REALLY comes across as a spite thread, which wouldn't make sense if you like Thor as much as you say you do. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just trying to understand.
We've seen Batman hurt Wonder Woman, but if anyone tried to argue that Batman could take her, they'd get laughed off the ****ing forum.
Thor actually has elite blade skills. Not sure about knife skills however.
As for Batman hanging with "heralds" is good an all... His usual baddies r well below(streets). If urr gonna hang ure hat on Bats hannging woth heralds, its fair to say Thor hangs with abstracts/cosmics/trans/skyfaths.. Even though his regular badies are around high meta/heralds...
Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly just can't wrap my head around it, tbh. What exactly is supposed to bypass his durability? A couple of adamantium sticks? Pressure point attacks that are more outliers than average attacks?It really, REALLY comes across as a spite thread, which wouldn't make sense if you like Thor as much as you say you do. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just trying to understand.
We've seen Batman hurt Wonder Woman, but if anyone tried to argue that Batman could take her, they'd get laughed off the ****ing forum.
Outliers? I have shown Thor clearly being affected by them. Celey has shown him clearly not being affected (I still think he was, but let's agree to disagree for now).
That's 1 for, 1 against. You can't say pressure points working on Thor is a outlier......
Adamantium sticks? Round 3 is merely slashing. They don't need to KO him, which has been my ENTIRE point. They just need to land 10 slashes on him - could be five from Bruce, and five from Frank, or 9 from Bruce, 1 from Frank, whatever...as long as it adds up to 10.
To defeat them, Thor isn't allowed to ground pound or thunderclap, or punch them or whatever. He HAS TO SLASH EACH OF THEM 10 TIMES EACH WITH HIS KNIFE .
Then I read posts like Thor is going to THUNDERCLAPS or whatever...I mean, come on.
Edit: this is like playing tag...and people come in and start KOing their victims, then tagging them. SMH. Just play tag, lol.