Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor actually has elite blade skills. Not sure about knife skills however.As for Batman hanging with "heralds" is good an all... His usual baddies r well below(streets). If urr gonna hang ure hat on Bats hannging woth heralds, its fair to say Thor hangs with abstracts/cosmics/trans/skyfaths.. Even though his regular badies are around high meta/heralds...
Apples to oranges, and you know it.
Thor hangs with the abstracts etc thanks to Mjolnir (which he doesn't have), his storm powers (which he can't use), his strength, and his durability.
Batman and Frank hang due to their agility, speed, skills, and durability. Sometimes, yes, their weaponry (which they are severely limited to in this thread).
In THIS thread, without Mjolnir and his storm powers, rounds 1 and 2 are debatable. As I've said before, I think the duo can win round 3, as all he has in an advantage is his strength.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Apples to oranges, and you know it.Thor hangs with the abstracts etc thanks to Mjolnir (which he doesn't have), his storm powers (which he can't use), his strength, and his durability.
Batman and Frank hang due to their agility, speed, skills, and durability. Sometimes, yes, their weaponry (which they are severely limited to in this thread).
In THIS thread, without Mjolnir and his storm powers, rounds 1 and 2 are debatable. As I've said before, I think the duo can win round 3, as all he has in an advantage is his strength.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would u say apples to oranges when u know it's strength and durabilty im talking about?
*shrug*
Because this thread isn't comparing their strength or durability?
Unless when you made the comparison:
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
If urr gonna hang ure hat on Bats hannging woth heralds, its fair to say Thor hangs with abstracts/cosmics/trans/skyfaths.
You were saying Batman hangs with heralds due to his strength and durability? OK.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Uh..
So..
Stength and durability are not required in a fight where one cannot use his esoteric abilities.K.....
At least i c where u want this thread headed to.
I am saying it doesn't matter.
Durability? Adamantium cuts all combatants. Pressure points work on all combatants. I have levelled the field here.
Strength? Thor has an INCREDIBLE strength advantage here. My point is that it is not enough to surmount the speed and skill advantage of the duo.
Unless you have scans that Thor has the speed/skill edge - which I get the feeling you don't.
Like you YOURSELF said - they are his ESOTERIC abilities which he cannot use. So surely, he has PLENTY of non-esoteric abilities - by their definition, its common, lol.
Frank dismantled a WM suit with nothing but a knife.
He'd dismember Thor with adamantium (which OP originally hasn't included, as it's not really needed to bypass Thor's durability).
Castle also impressed Wolverine with his speed... same Wolverine who handled Crusader in 2-3 panels... and Man-Beast in a single page.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait so at 1 and 2.. U think they will significantly hurt Thor to the point they can take a good majority?Should i even take this seriously?
With 2, they can take a majority. 1 is debatable.
Like I said, IMO, it's not a spite thread. It's not a lifting/striking power thread - Thor wins that at 1% of his strength, arms tied behind his back, with his teeth.
I have shown Mantis, with her 'fragile' wrist, KOing Thor. It's happened in a comic - you may not like it, but it happened. You have shown pressure points not working on him.
Hence, 1 is debatable. I have just as much proof on my side that the duo would take him out as you do of their only avenue of attack being useless.
Thor should win without much issue. In a forum fight he'll actually use his speed to dodge attacks and he doesn't need to land anywhere near as many to win. Mantis isn't good indicator because she's a cosmic martial artist type, her pulling something off is no more indicative of someone like Bats or Cap being able to do it than it would be if Karate Kid had accomplished the feat.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Thor should win without much issue. In a forum fight he'll actually use his speed to dodge attacks and he doesn't need to land anywhere near as many to win. Mantis isn't good indicator because she's a cosmic martial artist type, her pulling something off is no more indicative of someone like Bats or Cap being able to do it than it would be if Karate Kid had accomplished the feat.
As will Batman. Who wouldn't have to hold back
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Outliers? I have shown Thor clearly being affected by them. Celey has shown him clearly not being affected (I still think he was, but let's agree to disagree for now).That's 1 for, 1 against. You can't say pressure points working on Thor is a outlier......
Adamantium sticks? Round 3 is merely slashing. They don't need to KO him, which has been my ENTIRE point. They just need to land 10 slashes on him - could be five from Bruce, and five from Frank, or 9 from Bruce, 1 from Frank, whatever...as long as it adds up to 10.
To defeat them, Thor isn't allowed to ground pound or thunderclap, or punch them or whatever. He HAS TO SLASH EACH OF THEM 10 TIMES EACH WITH HIS KNIFE .
Then I read posts like Thor is going to THUNDERCLAPS or whatever...I mean, come on.
Edit: this is like playing tag...and people come in and start KOing their victims, then tagging them. SMH. Just play tag, lol.
To me, the only one that's even remotely debatable is #3. That doesn't somehow make up for the lunacy that is the other two. Nor is it enough to justify the thread.
shrug
It is a lunacy to give Bruce and Frank the OHK weapons and force Thor to engage them in a melee combat... without his hammer.
As for the pressure points "magic". Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Even Luke Cage got taken out with just two strikes from T'Challa... and Panther was powerless and missing his fancy tech and Vibranium then.
Originally posted by -Pr-
To me, the only one that's even remotely debatable is #3. That doesn't somehow make up for the lunacy that is the other two. Nor is it enough to justify the thread.shrug
You don't think it's remotely debatable for round 1?
Batman and Frank know pressure point attacks, and use them quige frequently (Batman more so, obv...Frank just shoots the pressure points).
Streets have been shown to dance around Thor. THESE streets have been shown to dance around heralds.
Pressure point attacks have OHKOd Thor before. It's not an outlier when I have just as many as the Thor supporters showing they work - IOW, 50/50.
Rd 2, they can attack those same pressure points with weapons that essentially bypass durability (I'm not giving them blunt knives, lol- they're sharp as hell. Imagine they're Wolverine claw sharp).
I honestly don't see how the first two AREN'T debatable...