Originally posted by LordGod
X-ray vision, my dude.In Justice League he stopped in the middle of fighting Steppenwolf and noted a shitton of survivors in the city who needed rescuing. He wouldn't have known about them and their exact locations if he couldn't see them through all the walls+distance. He'd surely know about the pillars.
Another important factor here is time, can he replicate the distruction of the lightning in the amout of time the latter did?
Originally posted by Silent MasterI assume that Superman goes into this scenario knowing that he has to duplicate Thor's feat as quickly and efficiently as possible, no? If so, then why WOULDN'T he use his super-senses? Why are you going out of your way to make Superman as one-dimensional as possible here?
Yes, he's trying to replicate an attack that causes a massive shockwave which in turn devesates a massive amount of terrain.Now, why would he use X-ray vision?
Afterall, it's clear that his super-senses are always on and actively scanning his surroundings to some extent (that's how he was able to hear and see the all of the city's survivors IN THE MIDDLE OF his battle with Steppenwolf), so it is logical to assume that he could certainly use those abilities here as well- especially if he opts to go the HV route.
The alternative is gimping Superman's natural abilities to try and give Thor the edge. So if that's what you'd rather do then be my guest. 👆
Originally posted by LordGod
I assume that Superman goes into this scenario knowing that he has to duplicate Thor's feat as quickly and efficiently as possible, no? If so, then why WOULDN'T he use his super-senses? Why are you going out of your way to make Superman as one-dimensional as possible here?Afterall, it's clear that his super-senses are always on and actively scanning his surroundings to some extent (that's how he was able to hear and see the all of the city's survivors IN THE MIDDLE OF his battle with Steppenwolf), so it is logical to assume that he could certainly use those abilities here as well- especially if he opts to go the HV route.
The alternative is gimping Superman's natural abilities to try and give Thor the edge. So if that's what you'd rather do then be my guest. 👆
OP states that Superman is in the same circumstances as Thor was. Thor didn't have prep time, why should Superman have prep?
He doesn't need formal prep time. Superman's perception and reaction speeds are ~ Flash's. He could easily scan the field in the time it takes one of the Frost Giants to take a step or two.
Also, Thor collapsed the terrain as an ACCIDENTAL side effect of his bolt. Here Superman is TRYING to duplicate that specific feat. So again- why WOULDN'T he use the abilities in his repertoire?
Originally posted by FrothByte
OP states that Superman is in the same circumstances as Thor was. Thor didn't have prep time, why should Superman have prep?
Agreed, Thor got the idea to cause an AOE until maybe a few seconds before he did it and since the OP stated "same circumstances". same applies to Superman.
He has no reason to even think of using HV, especially not use HV in a manner that he's never been shown to.
Originally posted by LordGod
He doesn't need formal prep time. Superman's perception and reaction speeds are ~ Flash's. He could easily scan the field in the time it takes one of the Frost Giants to take a step or two.Also, Thor collapsed the terrain as an ACCIDENTAL side effect of his bolt. Here Superman is TRYING to duplicate that specific feat. So again- why WOULDN'T he use the abilities in his repertoire?
Meh. If that was true then Batman should never have given Superman such a hard time. There's also no proof that the destruction Thor caused was accidental. He made the strike seemingly with the intention of destroying his enemies around him as well as dropping that ice monster chasing after his friends.
Originally posted by Silent Master
That wasn't the question, the question was could Superman replicate Thor's glacier shattering feat.The OP also stipulated "same circumstances Thor faced". meaning Superman has to do it while being attacked from all sides by Frost Giants.
Like I said, Superman doesn't have Mjolnir or lightning powers to replicate the feat exactly how Thor did it. Therefore the OP meant can Superman cause the same damage to the terrain in one strike.
Yes he can.
Originally posted by FrothByteThat's plot-induced-stupidity for ya. Because we know that Superman actively uses his super-speed in fights-
Meh. If that was true then Batman should never have given Superman such a hard time. There's also no proof that the destruction Thor caused was accidental. He made the strike seemingly with the intention of destroying his enemies around him as well as dropping that ice monster chasing after his friends.
and-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAGz2bDlwqA&t=3m33s
So it's not like what I'm saying here is entirely without precedent.
Again- I assume that Superman is going into this scenario KNOWING that he has to duplicate Thor's feat as quickly and efficiently as possible. So with that in mind- he has super-speed that he ACTIVELY uses IN BATTLE, and he also has super-senses (like hearing and telescopic/x-ray vision) that he ACTIVELY uses IN BATTLE. Why are those abilities all of the sudden off the table here if we assume that Superman goes the HV route with his attack?
Thor had no way of knowing that the entire battlefield would collapse as a result of his bolt, unless he was already intimately familiar with how Jotumheim's surface was supported, and strategically fired his bolt in a spot where he knew it would take out enough of the supports to collapse the field. It's not impossible I guess, but it does seem unlikely. Especially since Thor came off as little more then a petulant brute at the beginning of the first movie.
Originally posted by h1a8
I believe you have the stops wrong. But that's besides the point.
Superman has the capacity to cause the same amount of damage with a swipe of of HV./thread
Nope, I have the stipulations correct. Superman has one strike in order to replicate Thor's feat under the same circumstances Thor faced.
Thor's feat was striking the ground with enough force to cause a massive shockwave resulting in the destruction of a large section of the landscape. Cutting some support pillars in the hopes of causing a collapse is not remotely replicating the feat.
Originally posted by Silent Master😉
Nope, I have the stipulations correct. Superman has one strike in order to replicate Thor's feat under the same circumstances Thor faced.Thor's feat was striking the ground with enough force to cause a massive shockwave resulting in the destruction of a large section of the landscape. Cutting some support pillars in the hopes of causing a collapse is not remotely replicating the feat.