Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[B]Thank you so much!!!!! Finally we can get pass the h1 type nonsense!The other missiles are not slowing down, and are still going to hit earth in less than 4s! That means that Carol not only flew at such altitudes in less than 4s, but had to stop the other missiles by pushing one into the others.
Still, as you yourself stated, the actual screen-time is way beyond 4s! Which means that we were seeing the scene under Carol's perspective, not under our perspective!
Also, consider that the following:
1. The other missiles are closely following the first one
2. The other missiles are not slowing down
3. You need to descelerate and object first, to then change it's trajectory.In other words, Carol has to be fast enough to not only descelerate the first missile, but to push it up in perfect tune so that she can hit the other ones, which again are easily moving at speeds way beyond mach 23
Considering that, Carol's reflexes are WAAAAYYYYYYYY beyond bullet timers!
And btw, many people place DCEU Superman's speed at beneath mach 20!
I haven't lost anything, I'm not the only one stating that Superman loses here! [/B]
You are making assumptions that you don't have proof for. You do not know that the ships at the beginning of the movie are at the same distance as the ships at the end when they fire those missiles so you can't use the fact that they will for sure get there in 4 seconds which based on screen time they do not. Carol doesn't even come into the screen until well after the missiles are fired so why would it take that long for them to get there if Carol is nowhere to be found? Then you still haven't explained Yon Rogg viewing this and taking that long. Your answer is he is an alien so he must be able to?
MCU has used slow motion to show super speed in Quicksilver. So wouldn't they use that here if that is what they were trying to portray?This scene was portraying her power and strength.
Im not even saying I think Superman wins this as I think more about it as Captain Marvel, Thor and Dr Strange as a team would be beastly but I do not think any of them including Carol have the same combat Speed as Superman based on what I have visually seen. Can she fly faster? Possibly.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I just don't remember it,not saying your wrong, I'm trying to find the clip on YouTubeNm, you mean where she Kills Ares? She is definitely levitating or something, that's more than a jump.
I think he means the final scene where she leaps off really high.
Personally I think if she could fly it wouldnt be something we have to figure out. Like we all know Cyborg can fly and Superman can fly. We dont have to put evidence together to work that out.
Josh is trolling and using cutscenes from a different scene to judge how fast the missiles are from another scene. He doesn't know that sometimes time elapses between cutscenes.
It didn't take 4s for the earlier missiles to reach. The scene was cut because no one wants to watch a missile travel for a whole minute to the surface.
Any common sense tells us that Carol's missile scene was shown in real time and that she needed less than human perceptions to do the feat.
Carol never demonstrated superhuman reflexes and perception speed. She would be a statue here to both WW and Superman.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
No, not really but kinda? I mean if she can only levitate in one spot definitely not but if she can control her levitation or move in a direction (which she did not) then it is.I could see people interpretation of it being different tho
If you can levitate in place but not move then it is not flying. If you can levitate and then move yourself forward and back then it is flying.
I don't remember her moving back and forth in the air, therefore she wasn't flying. I remember her staying in place, but then I'm not sure if that was her levitating or simply a slow motion effect of her hang time as she jumped. Either way, it's not flight.
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
You are making assumptions that you don't have proof for. You do not know that the ships at the beginning of the movie are at the same distance as the ships at the end when they fire those missiles so you can't use the fact that they will for sure get there in 4 seconds which based on screen time they do not. Carol doesn't even come into the screen until well after the missiles are fired so why would it take that long for them to get there if Carol is nowhere to be found? Then you still haven't explained Yon Rogg viewing this and taking that long. Your answer is he is an alien so he must be able to?MCU has used slow motion to show super speed in Quicksilver. So wouldn't they use that here if that is what they were trying to portray?This scene was portraying her power and strength.
Im not even saying I think Superman wins this as I think more about it as Captain Marvel, Thor and Dr Strange as a team would be beastly but I do not think any of them including Carol have the same combat Speed as Superman based on what I have visually seen. Can she fly faster? Possibly.
We don't have evidence for that, neither do yo, nor do I. We don't know how high those ships were!
But, let's think for a second, if the missiles are taking longer due to what you are inferring (that the ships are at a higher altitude than whilst on Torfa), why would that be the case?
I mean, why would a highly skilled millitary commander, in the likes of Ronan, place his ships at a higher altitude? Why would he change his battle tactics while on Earth?
Ronan himself claimed that Earth was an inferior planet, that possed no thread for his armata. The only logical explanation for him to have placed his battleships at a higher altitude would be to protect them from land-air Earthly defenses. Otherwise, his goal is to swiftly attack Earth, and ergo:
1. He has no motives to place his ships higher (he doesn't feel threaten by Earth's defenses)
2. Logic indicates that he would rather place his ships closer, in order for the missiles to reach quicker.
Even if you can prove that the ships were at a CONSIDERABLE higher altitude, as to compensate for the SIGNIFICANT time difference between both scenes, Carol is still portraying super-reflexes by being able to sync up one missile hitting the others (Which again, are moving easily beyond mach 20)
Marvel Database clearly states that many alien races, such as Kree, Asgardian, etc. possess superhuman abilites, which includes super-human reflexes.
AoS has also proven that.
Originally posted by h1a8
Josh is trolling and using cutscenes from a different scene to judge how fast the missiles are from another scene. He doesn't know that sometimes time elapses between cutscenes.It didn't take 4s for the earlier missiles to reach. The scene was cut because no one wants to watch a missile travel for a whole minute to the surface.
Any common sense tells us that Carol's missile scene was shown in real time and that she needed less than human perceptions to do the feat.
Carol never demonstrated superhuman reflexes and perception speed. She would be a statue here to both WW and Superman.
Your stupidity reached a high new level. And thanks for proving what everyone in this board already knows, your science comprenhension is primary level at least!
What part of Orbital Bombardment weaponry travelling at speeds easily beyond mach 20, do you not understand?
Have fun proving that a human has the reflexes to sync up for an object moving, at least, 20x the speed of sound, to hit other objects that are closely following by.
The only troll here is you, Carol has definitely shown super-human reflexes, even Wolves has agreed to that.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Are you purposefully acting retarded? Wonder Woman can fly. She flew at the end of her solo movie.Is that why Superman easily blitzed her from several dozen meters away when she tried to cross her arms?
No, if you want a reply from me you'll adress my points, not someone else's.
No she can not! WW has never fly!
And again, Arthur and Diana were fighting him. He wasn't statuing them on the ground.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No she can not! WW has never fly!And again, Arthur and Diana were fighting him. He wasn't statuing them on the ground.
Watch the end of WW. And he blitzed her when she was on the ground too. Stop pretending it didn't happen.
No, they were fighting him. He was just tanking their attacks. When Flash attacked him, that's when he poured on the speed and statued them. He also blitzed Steppenwolf, who was fast enough to fight Diana evenly.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Watch the end of WW. And he blitzed her when she was on the ground too. Stop pretending it didn't happen.No, they were fighting him. He was just tanking their attacks. When Flash attacked him, that's when he poured on the speed and statued them. He also blitzed Steppenwolf, who was fast enough to fight Diana evenly.
Even if so, Superman was still getting hit by Diana. And should Superman do the same, he won't be tanking blows from CM or Thor.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Your stupidity reached a high new level. And thanks for proving what everyone in this board already knows, your science comprenhension is primary level at least!What part of Orbital Bombardment weaponry travelling at speeds easily beyond mach 20, do you not understand?
[B]Have fun proving that a human has the reflexes to sync up for an object moving, at least, 20x the speed of sound, to hit other objects that are closely following by
.The only troll here is you, Carol has definitely shown super-human reflexes, even Wolves has agreed to that. [/B]
Reflexes is about TIME TO REACT. A human can react in 0.2 second. Speed is irrelevant. You can be moving at over 1000x speed of light towards the Sun and still be able to to react to avoid it. CM operated with more than a few seconds. Several seconds elaspe when you see her and the missile closing in on each other.
Therefore the missile speed in relation to hers is almost 0.
Since she was moving forward then the missiles actual speed was very low.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I wonder what Thor would look like to Supes with his X-ray vision. He might be able to see the massive amounts of energy in him and attack first. Probably Cap as well
Doubt it. His X-ray vision allows him to see through things, not act as some kind of superpower geiger-counter that allows him to detect how much energy flows through an individual.
In any case, he's never shown the ability to use it as such.
The biggest question we should settle here is this: Are the combatants performing to the best of their abilities as backed up by their feats? In this case Superman and Flash start off by blitzing and maintain their speeds throughout the match while Thor and Captain Marvel immediately turn on their lightning and photon cloaks respectively throughout the entire fight.
Strange in the meantime probably would have already set the time stone to time loop so they can keep repeating the same scenario again and again... assuming he's able to do so before getting blitzed and killed.
Or... do we treat them like they're fighting in character, like they regularly do in their movies?
All I know is, it's unfair to act like one team operates at 100% capability while limiting the other team to fighting in character.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Doubt it. His X-ray vision allows him to see through things, not act as some kind of superpower geiger-counter that allows him to detect how much energy flows through an individual.In any case, he's never shown the ability to use it as such.
Nm. Rewatched it, only cyborg was different
Not a peer guager but I mean see the lightning in him. I'm gonna rewatch the shoes vs. jl fight because they all look different to him
Originally posted by FrothByte
The biggest question we should settle here is this: Are the combatants performing to the best of their abilities as backed up by their feats? In this case Superman and Flash start off by blitzing and maintain their speeds throughout the match while Thor and Captain Marvel immediately turn on their lightning and photon cloaks respectively throughout the entire fight.Strange in the meantime probably would have already set the time stone to time loop so they can keep repeating the same scenario again and again... assuming he's able to do so before getting blitzed and killed.
Or... do we treat them like they're fighting in character, like they regularly do in their movies?
All I know is, it's unfair to act like one team operates at 100% capability while limiting the other team to fighting in character.
Exactly, both sides are guilty of this and I know I have been as well, we all want our characters to win.