Originally posted by Smurph
So, with everything on the line for both of them, Wally will never be hit by Superman?
This is why the speed steal is being focussed on.
Once we agree it works, then no, he's never hitting Flash. Even if he generates his own kinetic energy (which still fall in the remit of Flash's control) he's still amping Wally.
Generating your own kinetic energy is a pretty weird argument to make though.
Well I don't need to.
You're basing your opinion on who wins on Wally saying its suicide to go up against Superman.
I'm basing my opinion on Wally saying he can stop him cold, and Wally ACTUALLY stealing his speed.
Plus, your scan proves that Wally wouldn't want to go h2h with Superman, as it's suicidal according to him 🙂
Originally posted by Smurph
Agreed.But speed stealing Superman and putting a “everything is on the line” Supes down are two different things. Feels like the debate so far is just focused on that first step.
I think if Wally doesn't spoed steal, he's ****ed. Even with Wally flat out being faster than him, it doesn't mean that he can't be hit.
Superman's "I always have another gear" aura will eventually have him beat Wally, as it would have him beat most other characters.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well I don't need to.You're basing your opinion on who wins on Wally saying its suicide to go up against Superman.
I'm basing my opinion on Wally saying he can stop him cold, and Wally ACTUALLY stealing his speed.
Plus, your scan proves that Wally wouldn't want to go h2h with Superman, as it's suicidal according to him 🙂
We are not talking about hypothetical scenarios here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wally's opinion:"I could steal ALL of Superman's kinetic energy and stop him cold"
Stealing Superman’s speed is not an all win for Flash. Clark has move through time stop multiple times, so just stealing his speed is not a win.
Didn’t Clark just outright beat Flash in a race just recently?
I remember Amazo labeled The Flash a severe threat while Superman a moderate one
Originally posted by abhilegend
What gibberish are you talking about? Captain Cold has beaten Flash multiple times using just cold gun.
anytime Flash can't easily deal with The Rogues, are usually PIS ridden bullcrap
sorta like Superman having troubles with Batman or Toyman
Originally posted by -Pr-
...How wouldn't it?
Originally posted by MrMind
I remember Amazo labeled The Flash a severe threat while Superman a moderate oneanytime Flash can't easily deal with The Rogues, are usually PIS ridden bullcrap
sorta like Superman having troubles with Batman or Toyman
Also Superman was significant threat and Flash was severe.
A few issues later Superman destroyed a shadow moon which required a thousand times more power than Justice League and shadow cabinet combined.
Power wise? Flash is nothing to Superman.
Originally posted by MrMind
anytime Flash can't easily deal with The Rogues, are usually PIS ridden bullcrap
No, it's just how he operates.
We need to accept that Forum Flash doesn't exist in comics.
They are HIS villains and they subject him to double fisting anal penetration (no lube) on a regular basis; that's what Flash is all about.
If we went only by highest feats, then even average speedsters would be deadly (or at the very least incredibly annoying to use) on battleboards.
Originally posted by MrMind
sorta like Superman having troubles with Batman or Toyman
Batman punks Superman, because he's the best.
He owns DC. Literally. Detective Comics.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Beats me. Wally never said he would beat Superman in a fight.
Right, because otherwise Flash's record is so stellar. Just pick up a justice league comic and see for yourself.
how about picking up Flash comics and see for yourself
when Zoom and Flash was fighting superman was a fukin statue
or how Zoom one shotting the entire league post rebirth
you are full cringe when it comes to superman
Originally posted by MrMind
how about picking up Flash comics and see for yourselfwhen Zoom and Flash was fighting superman was a fukin statue
or how Zoom one shotting the entire league post rebirth
you are full cringe when it comes to superman
Like literally.
Flash? He isn't even a footnote in a Superman comic.
Also Superman wasn't aware about the Zoom/Flash fight and Zolomon was amped (also Sucker punched) Superman.
The characters who have kicked the shit out of Flash and who got beaten up by Superman is like a hundred names long.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One of KMC's most often-reposted feats, yeah.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman had no idea they were even fighting and Wally was amped on Jay, Bart and Jesse Quick's speed. Later Bizarro matched Zoom in speed and Kal L casually oneshotted Zoom.
Zoom is only a threat in a Flash comic or written by Geoff Johns. Otherwise poor fellow can't even outspeed Bizarro.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, it's just how he operates.We need to accept that Forum Flash doesn't exist in comics.
They are HIS villains and they subject him to double fisting anal penetration (no lube) on a regular basis; that's what Flash is all about.
If we went only by highest feats, then even average speedsters would be deadly (or at the very least incredibly annoying to use) on battleboards.
Batman punks Superman, because he's the best.
He owns DC. Literally. Detective Comics.
except Flash (Wally or Barry) have owned the Rogues in spectacular fashion, when Rogues give Flash trouble they usually have preps, comic fights aren't straigh forward like forum fight, you gotta account for morals circumstances innocent bystander traps all that crap
not only that the Rogues are no jokes themselves, they only look the way the look to be under the raider. If you read The Flash you know they are interesting characters who are not one dimensional. They all have fuked up past and their portrayal and outlook of life is much more real and relatable than superheores.
The Rogues have always been badass even in crossover big events (underworld unleashed)
Mirror Master is almost unbeatable in battle forum he has amazing feats (check out comicvine lol), Captain Cold can reach below absolute zero, Abra Kadabra is a reality warper/magician from the future who has turned Superman into a puppet.
Weather Wizard can make tornado in people's stomach
If The Rogues are jokes then Superman is more than a joke, after all this is what Abra Kadabra done to Superman
and Flash villains aren't just the rogues, they actually include some of the most OP opponents
Gorilla Grodd just got the still force, he was stopping time in the universe during the mxy
Hunter Zoom another broken character that no need introduction
Professor Zoom can time travel and age people to death with his hand
Savitar and Max Mercury are all competent speedsters that can access speedforce.
Black Racer is aspect of death himself
If anything a someone that can access UNIVERSAL energy called speedforce is the one being underrated here.
Kudos on the Batman part