Despero Vs Apocalypse

Who wins?

Nur eats him.

Apoc

Despero TPs him.

Does he now? Apoc's pretty resistant.

Controlling Arthur the Halibut King and Manjobber is almost as impressive as the Jedi Mind Trick working on a stormtrooper 😛

Has Apocalypse ever been defeated by telepathy before?

The only one I can think of who has was Ultimate Apocalypse (who was basically a crazy possessed Sinister), and even that took a fully Phoenix'd Jean Grey going all out, since Xavier's attacks completely failed.

Does Apoc have any TP feats? I mean I know he's meant to have TP, but I haven't really seen it tbf....

He punked Xavier, but that was during the Twelve Arc, when he was amped, if memory serves. So not usable.

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He's knowledgeable about the astral plane, he's read Ozymandias' mind... but nobody's gonna argue that he can control/beat Despero with TP --- unless he redirects Despero's own psionic energy back at him, which is something he was shown to do.

Yah....I mean, he has some decent resistance feats, but then so would Hal, Bruce, Jonn, Arthur etc....and he mind controlled all of them simultaneously, whilst having a punch up with Supes.

Assuming its pre52 Despero, obv. I'm not familiar with how the forum is treating the various timelines after Doomsday's Cock.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not familiar with how the forum is treating the various timelines after Doomsday's Cock.

Probably same as usual... the most biased way possible... which is using the composite version including feats from anything that happened Post-Crisis to current 😛

Sinister has some potent TP --- and he had no doubt he would still be destroyed even by weakened Apocalypse.

Assuming post-Crisis Despero, he wins.

Apocalypse hasn't really been tested by this level of TP.

Despero wtf pwns

Originally posted by Philosophía
Assuming post-Crisis Despero, he wins.

Apocalypse hasn't really been tested by this level of TP.

This claim holds very little weight. TP may not be viable. Despero would have to go in H2H in order for us to keep from ignoring actual evidence.

Ok, based on what do you say Apoc can fend off a TP attack? I DID ask for feats, and Stilt was the only one who answered. The only feat of note is redirecting Jean's psychic attack.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Apoc

Originally posted by carver9

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, based on what do you say Apoc can fend off a TP attack? I DID ask for feats, and Stilt was the only one who answered. The only feat of note is redirecting Jean's psychic attack.

Well, there's also the fact that Sinister didn't even bother trying to psionically assault him in his weakened state --- and ran for his life instead.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, based on what do you say Apoc can fend off a TP attack? I DID ask for feats, and Stilt was the only one who answered. The only feat of note is redirecting Jean's psychic attack.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, there's also the fact that Sinister didn't even bother trying to psionically assault him in his weakened state --- and ran for his life instead.

@DS. There's no evidence to prove that Despero would have TP power over Apoc. We should therefore stick to what we know. That's what I'm saying.

If Apoc takes it to a physical fight, he'd be hard pressed to beat him.

NO ONE BEATS DESPERO!!!