Despero Vs Apocalypse

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's funny how sometimes, Apoc's underlings/horsemen/henchmen have feats that would make even him proud [i.e. see Harbinger steamrolling Avengers]. Until we saw him against Thor, we'd have thought that type of performance would be above him [choking Hulk like a ***** notwithstanding]

I should probably update the respect thread with Harbinger's showings...

Who do you think win a fight between 616 versions of magneto and apocalypse, Phil?

Magneto.

Originally posted by MrMind
Who do you think win a fight between 616 versions of magneto and apocalypse, Phil?

You just asked one of the biggest Magnus fans on the web to repeat what he's been saying for 13 years.

Are you going to ask zopzop if he's gay next? 😛

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's funny how sometimes, Apoc's underlings/horsemen/henchmen have feats that would make even him proud [i.e. see Harbinger steamrolling Avengers]. Until we saw him against Thor, we'd have thought that type of performance would be above him [choking Hulk like a ***** notwithstanding]

I should probably update the respect thread with Harbinger's showings...

Yeah, I see what you're saying, but War's performance against Emma is not something Nur shouldn't be capable of.

Phil, do you remember if Jean had her Phoenix powers when she met Essex and Apoc in the past? I know that she did go by the codename "Phoenix" then and the book title is saying that too, but I'm still not sure.

@DS

Anyway, we're going in circles now, I already agreed on page 2 that Despero is tailor-made for conquering all minds, strong or not. That's his whole thing.

Stilt, fight me

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You just asked one of the biggest Magnus fans on the web to repeat what he's been saying for 13 years.

Are you going to ask zopzop if he's gay next? 😛

Yeah, I see what you're saying, but War's performance against Emma is not something Nur shouldn't be capable of.

Phil, do you remember if Jean had her Phoenix powers when she met Essex and Apoc in the past? I know that she did go by the codename "Phoenix" then and the book title is saying that too, but I'm still not sure.

@DS

Anyway, we're going in circles now, I already agreed on page 2 that Despero is tailor-made for conquering all minds, strong or not. That's his whole thing.

At this point, I can't follow what Jean taps when with what Phoenix force. I just consider her "regular" Jean.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Stilt, fight me

I'm getting too old for this shit.

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As mentioned already, Apoc does have a great track record against telepaths (Jean, Exodus, Cable) and powerful beings with vast arrays of powers, including some psionic abilities (Prime Eternal Ikaris, High Evolutionary).

Then you have Mister Sinister, who keeps rebelling/plotting against Nur... instead of, you know, obliterating him with a barrage of mental blasts.

I agree that Blue Lips needs more on panel feats, but Marvel keeps wanking Purple Chin instead.

Racism at its worst.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I agree.

At this point, I can't follow what Jean taps when with what Phoenix force. I just consider her "regular" Jean.

Yeah, it's a mess...

But hey, *if* that was indeed regular Jean... it's a great thing that Marvel happened to retcon the Phoenix Force as the thing that holds Jean back and prevents her from reaching her full power... 😖hifty:

She really needs to go back to her grave, lol.

I think it's regular Jean, but that's me. Or at least at the time it was mean to be, anwyay.

Any idea why she still goes by Phoenix, then?

I always thought she used that codename for a reason, you know.

Then again, women never make any sense.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Any idea why she still goes by Phoenix, then?

I always thought she used that codename for a reason, you know.

Then again, women never make any sense.

Was it not something to do with Rachel asking her to, or something? It's been a while since I read it.

Edit: Found it:

Originally posted by -Pr-
Was it not something to do with Rachel asking her to, or something? It's been a while since I read it.

Edit: Found it:

Great find. That'd explain it. Thank you.

And thank Marvel for revealing to us how Phoenix-less Jean is even more powerful... 😖hifty:

lol np.

When did the retcon happen? Or are you talking about what happend after Zero Tolerance?

Nah, not Zero Tolerance.

I'm talking about the quite recent events --- shortly after Jean was brought back.

Scans were posted on KMC (but they got buried, as usual), I think the idea got explored in the X-Men: Red run:

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-red-jean-grey-more-powerful-phoenix/

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nah, not Zero Tolerance.

I'm talking about the quite recent events --- shortly after Jean was brought back.

Scans were posted on KMC (but they got buried, as usual), I think the idea got explored in the X-Men: Red run:

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-red-jean-grey-more-powerful-phoenix/

JFC.

Also, credit to the artist for the third panel in which she's squatting to take a shit on our childhoods.

😂

There is True Darkseid... there is True Jean... stop hating, bro 😎

lol.

Also, just fyi, that scan is from Cyclops and Phoenix #4. Not the Further Adventures, which is the one posted earlier with Apoc and Sinister.

Thank you 👆

I love how Lex Luthor makes a cameo in your scan biscuits