Yeah I mean, we could spam Batman's high end psi resistance feats Hal's, Aquaman, J'onn etc....and he took them all over and was controlling them simultaneously.
And yes, Cable hid Susan from Apocalypse. As a kid he was also able to block Apocalypse.
Lobo? He's meant to have the rock station playing 24/7, which is what gives him immunity. Hence what I mean by apples and oranges.
I'd say Post Crisis Despero's telepathic feats are better than Pre.
- absorbing psychic energy to power his own.
- feeding off emotions.
- creating life like illusions to fool the entire Justice league.
- mind controlling people across the universe.
- mind controlling Cyborg while on Rann.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah I mean, we could spam Batman's high end psi resistance feats Hal's, Aquaman, J'onn etc....and he took them all over and was controlling them simultaneously.And yes, Cable hid Susan from Apocalypse. As a kid he was also able to block Apocalypse.
Lobo? He's meant to have the rock station playing 24/7, which is what gives him immunity. Hence what I mean by apples and oranges.
True, but tech to prevent mind domination is still tech to prevent mind domination. Doesn't really much matter what it's called. This still becomes a subject that no one knows for certain. H2H seems to be the next logical step.
Originally posted by Stoic
True, but tech to prevent mind domination is still tech to prevent mind domination. Doesn't really much matter what it's called. This still becomes a subject that no one knows for certain. H2H seems to be the next logical step.
But Apoc doesn't have this. He's been affected by TP (see my reply to you on the previous page).
Originally posted by Stoic
Explain the Jean Grey encounter to me please.
Here's the scan:
Here is a separate incident, where Apocalypse doesn't have the power to get onto the astral plane without Cable's help:
Before people lose the point I am trying to make, the point is that Apocalypse can be affected by TP.
Originally posted by Stoic
Do you have any recollection of Apoc being mind raped? That scan doesn't seem to be enough evidence. Apoc isn't actively resisting.
Hey now. You're moving the goal posts:
Originally posted by Stoic
What instance are you referring to concerning Apoc being affected by TP?
I was saying that Apoc has been affected by TP. Because your original post was:
Originally posted by Stoic
If not for the Celestial technology there'd be no reason to disagree. However, it is known that he possesses it, and as such I don't think that we'd come to a true conclusion if we simply ignored it. TP doesn't work on Lobo because he too has tech that denies mind domination.
So..my point is that Apoc HAS been affected by psi attacks, doesn't have the power to access the astral plane, and this is all despite his Celestial tech.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey now. You're moving the goal posts:I was saying that Apoc has been affected by TP. Because your original post was:
So..my point is that Apoc HAS been affected by psi attacks, doesn't have the power to access the astral plane, and this is all despite his Celestial tech.
Sorry I was rushed earlier. I only had time to glance at the 1st scan. The art is so bad that I barely made out that mess being Apoc in pain. You're absolutely correct. Despero should absolutely be able to peel his head open like a soft melon. Unless he's able to bounce it back like he did in that scan.
His TP defense is certainly implied to be high [Sinister, Exodus, Jean, Cable -- facing X-Men in general], but it depends how far we're willing to go with it without actual, direct feats.
I mean, we can give Prime crazy TP defenses, considering who he faced, too [not quite the same, but you get the point]
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, that was Apoc from the past --- from the Victorian era of UK, to be precise.If a psionic attack had been a viable option, then he wouldn't have trashed people like Exodus.
Yeah fine, we can have IMPLIED feats if we want. But that's a slippery slope, as Phildo points out.
Explicitly not having the power to access the Astral Plane is more telling, I feel. Especially since both my scans are actually from Apocs respect thread.