Coronavirus

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Much as I like DDM, the time for denying how serious this was, could have been and could still be is gone.

You could try to at least quote a single post where I denied anything was happening at all.

My position has never been that nothing is happening. It has always been there there is purposeful lying going on and it is not anywhere close to as bad as we were led to believe. I also pointed out that it spread far faster than we were told (and they knew it did) but still pushed their economically ruinous policies destroying the finances of hundreds of millions of lives.

At every turn, they backed off the severity of the numbers. Every single week, they keep taking a step back. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that their "policies" had nothing to do with the numbers, they still pat their backs and try to claim it was all their blessed actions that result in the numbers falling.

No were are looking at numbers that makes it seem like a bad flu season WITHOUT vaccines. We went from 2.2 million projected deaths to less than 60k deaths.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You could try to at least quote a single post where I denied anything was happening at all.

My position has never been that nothing is happening. It has always been there there is purposeful lying going on and it is not anywhere close to as bad as we were led to believe. I also pointed out that it spread far faster than we were told (and they knew it did) but still pushed their economically ruinous policies destroying the finances of hundreds of millions of lives.

At every turn, they backed off the severity of the numbers. Every single week, they keep taking a step back. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that their "policies" had nothing to do with the numbers, they still pat their backs and try to claim it was all their blessed actions that result in the numbers falling.

No were are looking at numbers that makes it seem like a bad flu season WITHOUT vaccines. We went from 2.2 million projected deaths to less than 60k deaths.

If he fails to find the quote it means he made something up and will of course be banned for it 🙂

*does the consistency dance*

The policies put in place were about flattening the curve for a reason, quite simply the pulmonary equipment was not available for the percentage who would have needed it otherwise. Regardless of any other number, it's how many need specific equipment.

I notice you didn't back up your original claim. Surely just an oversight.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The policies put in place were about flattening the curve for a reason,

But it didn't. I've covered this multiple times for over a week, now.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
...quite simply the pulmonary equipment was not available for the percentage who would have needed it otherwise.

But it was.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Regardless of any other number, it's how many need specific equipment.

Artificial scarcity. Demands for false projections do not a crisis make.

Originally posted by Surtur
I notice you didn't back up your original claim. Surely just an oversight.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
okay, so there is in fact temporary at least one temp-morgue in nyc. your feelings do not matter. your latest gaslighting strategy does not matter either

https://abc7ny.com/coronavirus-new-york-nyc-news-updates/6049955/

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
What claim? Where is this hill of yours?

It was legit quoted at the top of this page.

You're gonna be banned if you don't back up the claim so quick do it.

I just wanna know,what is the best case scenario right now.? I mean,when shpuld vaccines be at least testing phase or when will numbers of people diagnosed die down? 3 months,4? I wish all this is over by June at the latest

So seems like the virus is probably much less deadly than originally thought but also much more contagious. So good and bad news I guess.

Lol

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The policies put in place were about flattening the curve for a reason, quite simply the pulmonary equipment was not available for the percentage who would have needed it otherwise. Regardless of any other number, it's how many need specific equipment.

We've been taught manufacturing capacity ie theoretically limitless.

They can manufacture what we need. Which means they CHOOSE not to, for whatever reason.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol

It’s Surtur hiding in a basement funny

Originally posted by BackFire
So seems like the virus is probably much less deadly than originally thought but also much more contagious. So good and bad news I guess.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-09/coronavirus-may-reactivate-in-cured-patients-korean-cdc-says

Originally posted by Stringer
It’s Surtur hiding in a basement funny

Considering he lives in Chicago there is more than a 50% chance this could be true. But during this plague I’m not knocking it

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
okay, so there is in fact temporary at least one temp-morgue in nyc. your feelings do not matter. your latest gaslighting strategy does not matter either

https://abc7ny.com/coronavirus-new-york-nyc-news-updates/6049955/

The Office of Chief Medical Examiner said Tuesday that the refrigerated structures and mobile command center going up in Manhattan were meant to provide emergency capacity if the city's permanent morgues fill up.

Oh, the same story I read on March 25th where they said the same thing:

If the available morgue space in New York City fills up as the number of COVID-19 deaths increases, federal help will be available...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/dhs-briefing-nyc-morgues-near-capacity-148259

hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm

World renowned epidemiologist contradicts the CDC and the WHO's policies.

Professor Knut Wittkowski, Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus.

I wonder what his recommendations were? hmm

Surely he didn't recommend the same things I did? I am just an ignorant fool who knows nothing about anything. There's no way in hell he recommended we deal with this the way I did...what did he recomend?

hmm

With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms, especially if they are children. So, it’s very important to keep the schools open and kids mingling to spread the virus to get herd immunity as fast as possible, and then the elderly people, who should be separated, and the nursing homes should be closed during that time, can come back and meet their children and grandchildren after about 4 weeks when the virus has been exterminated...

How very interesting.

https://www.aier.org/article/stand-up-for-your-rights-says-professor-knut-m-wittkowski/

And what is his research on COVID-19?

The first three months of the COVID-19 epidemic: Epidemiological evidence for two separate strains of SARS-CoV-2 viruses spreading and implications for prevention strategies

Competing Interest Statement
The authors have declared no competing interest.

Funding Statement
none

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.28.20036715v2

Oh, there's the problem. He's just in it for the science and research, not the money. Therefore, voices like his are drowned out.

Do other experts agree with him?

Yes.

Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Standford University

Why are people frustrated with this? Because the science is being ignored. We are increasing the risk of more deaths with the policies we are putting in place, and we are prolonging the situation unnecessarily. What should be a moderately impacting seasonal illness is turning out to be a disaster and it is only due to the policies being put in place.

And I figured out why we had a spike in deaths despite all the quarantines, lockdowns, shelter in place policies: at least some of those deaths are inflated due to the new CDC guidelines that I had talked about prior. The timing is just right.

A new study from Austria suggests that much less than 1% of the population has been infected at the beginning of April. That sadly makes it likely that if restrictions are eased too much, and people fail to maintain precautions new outbreaks are likely. Herd Immunity would still be a long way off, and come at a significant price to human life (and likely to the economy as well)

“Based on this study, we believe that 0.33% of the population in Austria was acutely infected in early April,” SORA co-founder Christoph Hofinger told a news conference. Given the margin of error, the figure was 95% likely to be between 0.12% and 0.76%.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-austria-study/less-than-1-of-austrias-population-infected-with-coronavirus-study-finds-idUSKCN21S0ZW

The findings are in line with the assumptions of many experts and governments around the world. Of course there is always dissenting voices as well. The true situation will likely not become clear for a while, but it's another suggestion that strict measures have been important to not overwhelm healthcare services.

At the same time it also seems to show that the actual number of infected is about twice as high as the cases that are found and reported. That is a line in number with other suggestions, that about 50% of cases may be asymptomatic or low in symptoms to not lead to any testing.

With possible reactivation going on. The health care can't cope as it is, so distancing is flattening the curve and it is. So the measures are working and protecting the elderly and vulnerable.