Best force feats in canon??

Originally posted by Galan007
Yet Porter's lightsaber skills were so unparalleled that no one else in the Jedi Order could rival him(to the point where Porter literally could not find a legitimate challenge, so he got depressed and went into pseudo-retirement.) IOW, the heavy/overt implication is that even the likes of THR Yoda would've had to improve his saber skills significantly, just to reach peak-Porter's level. That is ridiculously impressive by any metric.

Originally posted by Galan007
*A bit more Porter-wank, fwiw(from The Blade TPB):
https://ibb.co/5ghXKWWv
"Porter Engle is perhaps the most skilled lightsaber wielder in the High Republic [...] No warrior can stand against him. No one even comes close."

Originally posted by Total Warrior
I don't doubt it. And Porter is my fav character from the High Republic series. But then Yoda back then MUST have been much weaker than RotS Yoda. Not because it's impossible that Porter is the better duelist, but because he is so much better that "no one comes close to him". Like, to be that much stronger than Yoda you must be what? All Jedi Rey level? Son Level? Not even Luke would be so much stronger than Yoda to the point there'd be no competition between them.
I guess Yoda must have grown a lot in the time between TPM and EP2, which kinda reconciles with Dooku thinking he can beat Yoda in AOtC (when he was nowhere close to him. However he was probably thinking of how powerful Yoda was when he left the Order) and Yoda being beaten by Atha Prime pre-32BBY

So it's not too surprising that Porter Engle is better then Yoda, but THAT much better is crazy. The High republic was just different.

👆 Apparently Yoda only became the #1 duelist because Porter got bored and stepped away from fighting because no one could challenge him. Before that it sounds like he was the undisputed #1 in the order.

Well, I'd say there's at least enough evidence to put Porter above THR Yoda(and all others of his era) as a swordsman... And by a considerable margin.

Hopefully Marvel/Soule gets around to releasing the long-teased Broken Blade series in the near future. Porter is one of the best things to come out of THR, and I've been waiting to see more of him... But it doesn't sound like we'll be getting that story until sometime after Phase III has concluded. Boo. ermm

Oh really? I've been dying to see more of him (and Barash), I've enjoyed his comic series a lot. And yeah hopefully we can get a clearer idea of what he can do and where he stands

Originally posted by Galan007

*That said, some of the other notable THR Jedi(like Avar, Vernestra, Keeve, Stellan, Elzar, etc.) are all amazing swordsmen in their own right, but by all accounts, peak-Porter is just... Better. Where swordplay is concerned, the dude was a master amongst masters.

Any idea where Sol ranks?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Any idea where Sol ranks?

Originally posted by Galan007
Not really. Even The Acolyte: Visual Guide doesn't really give a good indication on where Sol stands in relation to the Order's elite. And the wank it gives Qimir, Vernestra, Indara, and all the others is equally ambiguous in that respect. Sol is definitely a great duelist, but how [quantifiably] great? Not sure.

Ah okay. On the show when Qimir killed all the Jedi the other Jedi suspected Sol because he was the capable of doing it.

So would be nice to see if that was just compared to the Jedi who accompanied him, or whether he was one of the elites of the Order.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ah okay. On the show when Qimir killed all the Jedi the other Jedi suspected Sol because he was the capable of doing it.

So would be nice to see if that was just compared to the Jedi who accompanied him, or whether he was one of the elites of the Order.

...Even Vernestra seemed scared/concerned of Qimir, yet Sol was every bit his equal(and could have outright killed him once he got serious.) It's actually a very impressive showing -- and ironically enough, the only other Jedi present who gave Qimir any sort of challenge was Sol's Padawan, Jecki. Heh.

*As an aside, I've seen others using TPM-era Maul as a rough measuring stick, given his showing against a single Padawan(ie. the previously unknown Eldra Kaitis, who nearly solo'd him) in the 2017 mini. Don't know if I'd go that far, but I see the logic. /shrug

Makes sense.

So how would a fight between Qimir and Porter Engle play out IYO?

Qimir only did that good thanks to Cortosis and his unusual fighting style. One of the Jedi comments on this. Once you get used to it he is not that special. After all Sol’s padawan matched him pretty well. He is surely pretty impressive in the force but that’s it. Tbh I think Qimir could take on someone like Luminara at best. I don’t see anyone above her being pushed so much by padawan, however talented she may have been, and being able to win only by playing dirty (Padawan Anakin is an exception for obvious reasons)

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Qimir only did that good thanks to Cortosis and his unusual fighting style. One of the Jedi comments on this. Once you get used to it he is not that special. After all Sol’s padawan matched him pretty well. He is surely pretty impressive in the force but that’s it. Tbh I think Qimir could take on someone like Luminara at best. I don’t see anyone above her being pushed so much by padawan, however talented she may have been, and being able to win only by playing dirty (Padawan Anakin is an exception for obvious reasons)

Like galan said even TPM Maul has done worse against less.

Originally posted by Sheev
So how would a fight between Qimir and Porter Engle play out IYO?

Remember, there's Porter... Then there's everyone else. #NoOneEvenComesClose 👆

You keep saying "prime" Engle like there's a "non prime" Engle we should be aware of lmao. 😛

^ There is, though?

This is what I mean by "prime" Porter:
https://ibb.co/whH6BT1j
*150 years before the fall of Starlight Beacon. That seemed to be his overall peak(physically, mentally, spiritually, etc.)

This would be a "non-prime" Porter:
https://ibb.co/mr7htfhQ
*150 years later. By this point he had long since retired from most Jedi affairs(after suffering a devastating trauma), and was acting as the cook at a random Jedi outpost.

...But even the latter 'version' of Porter is still ridiculously OP for being as removed from the game as he was. For example, PhaseIII!Avar Kriss(easily one of THR's most powerful/skilled Jedi) still marveled at [post-prime] Porter's abilities:
"Avar could understand Belin's reaction. It did sound like a ruinous plan. But Belin hadn't seen Porter fight with a lightsaber before. It was something spectacular to behold. Without him, it was true that she wouldn't stand a chance. But together? She had to believe they could do it."
-Eye of Darkness

You also have other noteworthy THR Jedi(like Loden Greatstorm and Bell Zettifar) being awestruck by [post-prime] Porter's lightsaber skills, and fully believing he surpassed the likes of Arkoff and Yoda. There's also [post-prime] Porter, while being affected/hindered by the Nameless, still outperforming every other Jedi who fought Viess(like Avar and Stellan)... And [post-prime] Porter also has some uber TK and Battle Meditation feats, to boot.

Point being, even [post-prime] Porter is arguably still THR Yoda-tier+ as a swordsman. Never mind a prime Porter. 👆

How old was Prime Porter? Gotta check the new powerhouse out.

Also hearing a lot about his Saber skills, what about his TK?

For what it's worth, there's another scene in Trials of the Jedi (the latest High Republic novel) where a Jedi Master witnesses an insane lightsaber feat being performed from a distance, and surmises that the only two Jedi even theoretically capable of the feat would have been Yoda and Porter Engle.

Spoiler:
The feat was Porter Engle flying at top speed with his cockpit open during a massive in-atmosphere battle and sniping down Nihil ships with lightsaber throws.

I think there might be some degree of parity between Porter and Yoda, with Porter probably being the superior lightsaber duelist, and Yoda probably the greater Force wielder. During Phase II of the High Republic, Yoda was still considered an extremely capable Jedi Master, but Yaddle described him as "just coming into his wisdom" or something along those lines. By Phase I and III (which take place 150 years after Phase II), Yoda is very much portrayed as the same titan of the Order that we see in the Prequels. Even compared to the two other Grand Masters, Yoda was still very much THE Jedi Grand Master.

When the Blight (a nigh-unstoppable all-consuming deterioration of all matter in the Galaxy into a chalky grey nothingness, robbed of the Force itself) appeared in the Sith shrine below the Jedi Temple, the Jedi discovered they could hold it back for a time by pouring the Force into it. But it was extremely taxing on any Jedi who attempted to do so. There was a whole circle of Jedi Masters rotating in shifts, swapping out every few hours, to try and hold back the blight. All except for Yoda, who held it back full-time, for several days straight, only ever stepping away when the Jedi Council summoned him. And when that happened, it took four fully fledged Jedi Masters to even briefly take on the same burden that Yoda had been bearing for days on end.

It's also worth pointing out, most of Yoda's supremacy quotes from the Prequel Trilogy era come long after Porter would have passed away to natural causes. He was already near the end of his natural life during the later years of the High Republic. The following two centuries would see Yoda entering his twilight years while Porter Engle would be long gone before Dooku even joined the Order. I think it is genuinely fair to claim that Porter Engle is likely the most skilled lightsaber duelist we have ever seen in Canon to this point, with all the runner ups only considered the most skilled in their era because Porter Engle was no longer around to humble them.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
How old was Prime Porter? Gotta check the new powerhouse out.

Also hearing a lot about his Saber skills, what about his TK?

Porter Engle was born in 407 BBY, and The Blade took place in 382 BBY. So he was only 25 years old by the time he was already considered the most legendary lightsaber duelist in the Order. I don't actually consider The Blade to be his prime like Galan does. He had another 154 years of growth by the time Trials of the Jedi came out. I'm betting he hit his actual prime somewhere in that time frame. I personally have Trials of the Jedi Porter above The Blade Porter, with his prime probably landing somewhere around 300-250 BBY.

As for TK feats, he's a monster, but he's not Yoda-level. He is, first and foremost, a swordsman. He's capable to wielding one lightsaber telekinetically while still dueling with his primary lightsaber. He's crushed entire large tanks with the Force. He's used Force pushes that scatter entire crowds of enemies. He destroys around 6 or more Nihil scav droids (think CIS crab droid-sized versions of buzz droids) with telekinesis and launches them at an entire Nihil raiding party in the Star Wars Adventures 2021 annual. The closest comparison I can think of would be Mace Windu from TCW in terms of telekinetic scale, maybe a bit stronger (the tank he crushed looked smaller than the AT-TE Mace pushed, but Porter clearly did it with less effort).

Oh, he's also got a nice Tutaminis feat in Trials of the Jedi, too. A Nihil attempts to shoot him in the back and he swats the blaster shot straight back into the Nihil with his bare hand.

And the image of old Porter that Galan shared coincidentally happened to mention another fun fact, he is one of the very, very few Jedi in Canon who is stated to have used Battle Meditation.

👆 👆

Originally posted by Darth Thor
How old was Prime Porter? Gotta check the new powerhouse out.

Also hearing a lot about his Saber skills, what about his TK?

Where TK is concerned, it's like UA said: Porter has some great showings, but in terms of raw power/scale they aren't on par with Yoda's best. Porter's main thing was applying heavily refined/precise TK in combat settings(Force-multitasking, if you will), because that helped make him a better swordmaster(although his brute TK was still very impressive, as UA also mentioned.)

Originally posted by Underachiever59
I think there might be some degree of parity between Porter and Yoda, with Porter probably being the superior lightsaber duelist, and Yoda probably the greater Force wielder.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yoda is very much portrayed as the same titan of the Order that we see in the Prequels. Even compared to the two other Grand Masters, Yoda was still very much THE Jedi Grand Master.

When the Blight (a nigh-unstoppable all-consuming deterioration of all matter in the Galaxy into a chalky grey nothingness, robbed of the Force itself) appeared in the Sith shrine below the Jedi Temple, the Jedi discovered they could hold it back for a time by pouring the Force into it. But it was [B]extremely taxing on any Jedi who attempted to do so. There was a whole circle of Jedi Masters rotating in shifts, swapping out every few hours, to try and hold back the blight. All except for Yoda, who held it back full-time, for several days straight, only ever stepping away when the Jedi Council summoned him. And when that happened, it took four fully fledged Jedi Masters to even briefly take on the same burden that Yoda had been bearing for days on end. [/B]

And in Midnight Horizon, Yoda ragdolled a trawler, and proceeded to effectively begin solo'ing the entire Nihil army(which numbered in the several-hundreds, iirc), pretty casually. He was still a monster back then for sure.

Originally posted by Underachiever59
I don't actually consider The Blade to be his prime like Galan does. He had another 154 years of growth by the time Trials of the Jedi came out. I'm betting he hit his actual prime somewhere in that time frame. I personally have Trials of the Jedi Porter above The Blade Porter, with his prime probably landing somewhere around 300-250 BBY.

Originally posted by Galan007

There's an argument to be made for both cases, but when Porter peaked is ultimately just semantics. He was still the unparalleled #1 swordsman in the Order/galaxy for pretty much his entire [active] life.

Would be weird if he was better than Yoda at 25. Would have liked to see some elderly Jedi like a Dooku or older, being the best. But apparently that doesn't matter too much.