Best force feats in canon??

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Would be weird if he was better than Yoda at 25. Would have liked to see some elderly Jedi like a Dooku or older, being the best. But apparently that doesn't matter too much.

I mean, Anakin in RotS was only 22, and was widely considered the best Jedi in the Order, rivalling Yoda. Obi-Wan had some serious accolades in Legends by the time of TPM, and he was only 25. Revan had some crazy accolades around him by the time he was in his 20's. It's really not uncommon for Jedi of legendary status to hit that status early on.

Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed... But where saber skill alone is concerned, I probably have peak Porter a bit further above THR Yoda than you. 😛

I totally get why, but I feel like there's some context worth considering when looking at the Porter hype. He was unrivaled, yes. And he felt depressed when challenged to sparring matches because he felt there was no point, no contest. But at the same time, we know Yoda, despite being an unparalleled swordsman in his own right, wasn't really a competitive duelist. He'd rather take the time to learn a new musical instrument than going around challenging other masters to sparring matches. Hell, he actually did this in the High Republic, disappearing for months without the Council knowing his whereabouts, then returning practicing a musical instrument. So I'm not really sure how wide the gap would be between the two, given Yoda's relative lack of interest in testing his martial prowess. Porter's line about feeling depressed even expressly mentioned it was when the younger generation challenged him.

Maybe if Yoda had been more willing to spar with Porter regularly, Porter wouldn't have gone into early retirement. Or maybe Porter would have proven himself definitively above Yoda and found a lack of challenge there, too. We simply don't know. Which is why I just place the two in the same top tier, alongside Palpatine, Vader, and Luke. Those are the definitive top five duelists as far as I can tell, and exact ranking placement is less important than individual match up, as far as I'm concerned.

Imagine if both Porter and Yoda were still around by RotS. Sidious would be ****ed

So, would Porter Engle best RotS Sidious 1v1?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
How old was Prime Porter?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Would be weird if he was better than Yoda at 25.

We then get a "25 years earlier" flashback in the same issue, to a time when Porter was still a Youngling at the Temple:
https://ibb.co/rGdnGdZb
https://ibb.co/FLGCmn1H
https://ibb.co/yFnDzmzW
*So Porter was probably in his 30's during this series/Phase... More than enough time for an omega-level prodigy(which he obvs was) to attain "best there ever is/was" status in SW.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Would have liked to see some elderly Jedi like a Dooku or older, being the best. But apparently that doesn't matter too much.

Originally posted by Underachiever59
I totally get why, but I feel like there's some context worth considering when looking at the Porter hype. He was unrivaled, yes. And he felt depressed when challenged to sparring matches because he felt there was no point, no contest. But at the same time, we know Yoda, despite being an unparalleled swordsman in his own right, wasn't really a competitive duelist. He'd rather take the time to learn a new musical instrument than going around challenging other masters to sparring matches. Hell, he actually did this in the High Republic, disappearing for months without the Council knowing his whereabouts, then returning practicing a musical instrument. So I'm not really sure how wide the gap would be between the two, given Yoda's relative lack of interest in testing his martial prowess. Porter's line about feeling depressed even expressly mentioned it was when the younger generation challenged him.

Maybe if Yoda had been more willing to spar with Porter regularly, Porter wouldn't have gone into early retirement. Or maybe Porter would have proven himself definitively above Yoda and found a lack of challenge there, too. We simply don't know. Which is why I just place the two in the same top tier, alongside Palpatine, Vader, and Luke. Those are the definitive top five duelists as far as I can tell, and exact ranking placement is less important than individual match up, as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, I can agree that THR Yoda-level is a good starting point for Porter, with the potential for him to be a good bit above that always present. 👆

Originally posted by Total Warrior
So, would Porter Engle best RotS Sidious 1v1?

Not to derail from the THR talk (because I'm loving this) but I'm assuming Vader somehow trapped the Grand Inquisitor's essence, right?

Wouldn't that also be one of the better Force feats in new canon?

Yup, Vader dabbled heavily in using the dark side to manipulate life, death, and time itself in (failed) efforts fo resurrect Padme. He has some ancient Sith-level of sorcery, as your example of him anchoring the Grand Inquisitor's revenant demonstrates.

"He was strong so strong" referring to Kanan ?!

Originally posted by Underachiever59
Yup, Vader dabbled heavily in using the dark side to manipulate life, death, and time itself in (failed) efforts fo resurrect Padme. He has some ancient Sith-level of sorcery, as your example of him anchoring the Grand Inquisitor's revenant demonstrates.

Vader using GI's spirit as his own personal slave/booby trap for several years is certainly an impressive showing(and unlike anything else we've really seen in canon), but it's kind of hard to quantify as a "power feat" or w/e... Kind of like Rebels Palpatine using sorcery to begin forcibly pulling himself into TWBW without a proper gateway: we know it's uber as hell, but how do you really gauge it? 😕

Originally posted by Darth Thor
"He was strong so strong" referring to Kanan ?!

Huh.. Luke fought the dead GI?

Has he been resurrected physically?

What comic series am I missing here..

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Huh.. Luke fought the dead GI?

Has he been resurrected physically?

What comic series am I missing here..

Happened relatively early on in the mainline Star Wars (2020) comic run. Luke went looking for a lightsaber to replace the one he lost on Cloud City. He found an abandoned Jedi outpost, but when he went to retrieve a lightsaber there, it turned out Darth Vader had basically been using that outpost as a trap to lure in Jedi and have the GI's spirit slay them. There was a relatively short duel, ended with Luke staggering the GI with a Force push, slicing off his lightsaber hand before he could recover, then cutting him down. Vader showed up later after Luke escaped

Ah yes I think it was mentioned here. I had completely forgotten.

I guess dark siders have force ghosts then. But clearly tormented spirits.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ah yes I think it was mentioned here. I had completely forgotten.

I guess dark siders have force ghosts then. But clearly tormented spirits.

Darth Momin is the only dark sider in canon who figured out the key to immortality the "right" way(ie. no drawbacks.)

Originally posted by Galan007
Darth Momin is the only dark sider in canon who figured out the key to immortality the "right" way(ie. no drawbacks.)

Oh and I've been meaning to ask- where would you guys rank Atha Prime? He seemed impressive vs. Yoda.

He is certainly a top tier. At the very least in the same tier as Plagueis, Yoda, Sidious. HOWEVER, we should see more of him before we judge

Not even Sidious overpowered Yoda like that.

Was Yoda just not as good during THR?

That was right before TPM. Kenobi was already Qui gon's padawan at the time. Atha is just a powerhouse.

Tbh Atha landed the final blow while Yoda was surprised by his appearance. But yeah he is a powerhouse