Best force feats in canon??

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Not sure if it's been said but Bendu unleashing a lightning storm a destroying the imperial forces is certainly a top tier force feat.

And I think Mother Talzin possessing a stronger force user like Dooku in SoD is also very impressive

*Fwiw, Avar Kriss & Elzar Mann were able to use the Force to alter a planet's local atmosphere, and intentionally create 'natural' rain/thunder, in Light of the Jedi. Granted it isn't some uber-destructive display of power or w/e, but it's still unlike anything else we've really seen in canon.

As for Talzin: I feel like magic(especially her level of magic) is the equivalent of Kryptonite to most Force-users. IOW, unless someone(like Palpatine or Vader, for example) has been specifically trained in the ways of high-level magic/sorcery, then they just don't really have much of a counter for it at all... Kind of like when Talzin [also] used Force-Voodoo to wreck Dooku from across galactic distances(bro was absolutely helpless, despite being one of the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever.) /shrug

Avar and Elzar have arguably a far more impressive feat in Trials of the Jedi.

Spoiler:
Trials of the Jedi involved the Jedi traveling to a planet-sized Force nexus similar to Mortis or the Wellspring of Life. The planet was representative of the Force as a whole. Harm to the planet was functionally reflected across the entire galaxy as harm to the Force, in the form of an unstoppable Blight. Marchion Ro deliberately destroyed the guardians of balance on the world, the Nameless creatures that had been popping up throughout The High Republic. The entire planet was destabilized and destined for utter catastrophe, potentially ending the entire Galaxy. Elzar and Avar managed to balance the world, functionally becoming Yin and Yang to balance out the unstable realms of light and dark.

It isn't really quantifiable in any meaningful way, but it's kind of insane to think about.

The implications of that showing are insane. 👆

Avar and Elzar are very powerful individually(especially when Elzar is tapping the dark side), but as a team they're stupidly OP.

Talk about ironic lol.

Originally posted by Galan007
This is quite an oversimplification of Momin's accomplishment, tbh.

Momin discovered how to construct esoteric dark side tech/architecture that can create precise portals through spacetime, allowing him to resurrect(and reunite his current essence with) his OWN physical body from the past:
https://ibb.co/SXVKkvXK
https://ibb.co/MxW6kMHL
Had Vader not thwarted his plans, Momin could have logically attained "true" [dark side] immortality, and just kept endlessly respawning himself whenever he needed to, with no drawbacks. Conversely, Palpatine would have required direct access to TWBW in order to pull off something like that -- but evidently locking his essence inside a rotten/decrepit clone body was his only option at the time (and Palpatine technically 'just' resurrected once as well, fwiw... But he did so in a vastly inferior way than Momin.)

tl;dr
Momin was just hyper-attuned to the dark side(which is ironic, as I wouldn't even call him a "Sith" in the conventional sense), and he used that connection to unlock an entirely different aspect of the Force than anyone else we've seen in canon. He was way ahead of his time(and still is.)

"It was used to set people, even places, outside of time. They could then be recalled to the now, as if no time had passed.":
https://ibb.co/7x2tqXcG

"It's something like an hourglass... But the sand is composed of miniature black holes, held in place by a Dark Side Matrix. That's how it can warp and trap time.":
https://ibb.co/dwXvtqYp

He also constructed other Force-based [temporal] technology, like his "Great Engine":
https://ibb.co/TxHW96Pw
"Anyone can make a weapon. To be worthy of the Force, my design had to be so much more... And it was.
At the very moment the people understood their imminent doom, I would pour the Force into my Engine and use it to stop the flow of time. All those minds reacting as one. Pain and fear, on a scale the galaxy had never known, frozen like insects in sap for anyone to see... Forever. An eternal shrine to the dark side."

Momin reached a level of advancement(when it came to amalgamating the Force with science/tech) that he was capable of playing with time and space like silly putty. Give him a few more years to work, and I wouldn't be surprised if Momin built his own version of TWBW or w/e... His knowledge of the dark side 'obscura' just seems to be in a tier of its own.

👆

Originally posted by Underachiever59
The Rising Storm also has Elzar Mann throwing an entire floating island with the Force, iirc.

^ Nothing exact, no. However, this artistic depiction of that scene(from the novel) is canon, as it has been reprinted in other sources:

So that at least gives you a rough idea of the size of those floating islands... And Elzar was hurling them around with ease once he started using the dark side.

It is an amazing showing to be sure, but Maru's feat is still far better, imo. As mentioned, Starlight Beacon was gargantuan, yet Maru held the entire station together(and kept it in orbit, lol) for an extended period of time, without even tapping-into the dark side like Elzar did(not that it diminishes his showing at all, but you get what I'm saying.)

PT era Jedi need to wake up and start doing something similar because HR Jedi are outshining them in the force department. Like I remember Ahsoka, who is surely much more powerful than 99% of the Jedi, struggling to stop Maul’s shuttle from taking off, back in TCW S7. Do we even have anything comparable to feats like Elzar Mann’s by PT Jedi?

So far the only ones I can think of:
-Qui Gon Jinn lifting a huge starship, while being inside it.
-Quinlan Vos lifting the Sleeper, a large crustacean creature, while being underwater, and telepathically killing it.
…
That’s it I can’t remember anything else

Unless you use Vader's castle-busting outlier or Yoda's mountain-stopping outlier, then no TK feats [from any other era in canon] really approach what Elzar did there... Never mind Maru's feat, lol.

I doubt we'll see anything like Elzar's or especially Maru's feats any time soon. Not unless they really up the ante in this new post ROTJ era.

Originally posted by Galan007
Forgot to add that Momin also created the Fermata Cage, which is equally as insane...

"It was used to set people, even places, outside of time. They could then be recalled to the now, as if no time had passed.":
https://ibb.co/7x2tqXcG

"It's something like an hourglass... But the sand is composed of miniature black holes, held in place by a Dark Side Matrix. That's how it can warp and trap time.":
https://ibb.co/dwXvtqYp

He also constructed other Force-based [temporal] technology, like his "Great Engine":
https://ibb.co/TxHW96Pw
"Anyone can make a weapon. To be worthy of the Force, my design had to be so much more... And it was.
At the very moment the people understood their imminent doom, I would pour the Force into my Engine and use it to stop the flow of time. All those minds reacting as one. Pain and fear, on a scale the galaxy had never known, frozen like insects in sap for anyone to see... Forever. An eternal shrine to the dark side."

Momin reached a level of advancement(when it came to amalgamating the Force with science/tech) that he was capable of playing with time and space like silly putty. Give him a few more years to work, and I wouldn't be surprised if Momin built his own version of TWBW or w/e... His knowledge of the dark side 'obscura' just seems to be in a tier of its own.

👆

I genuinely think Vader and Palpatine both picked up knowledge from Momin, from the times each character respectively wore his mask. They experienced big chunks of his life. Vader after the fact was able to permanently bind the Grand Inquisitor as a fiery revenant post-death. Palpatine was able to overcome death and return in The Rise of Skywalker. Who knows what other secrets they pulled from Momin's memories during the time they wore his mask? Regardless, I'd say Sidious at least is well beyond Momin in terms of dark side knowledge, he just doesn't care to apply it in the same fashion Momin did.

^ I'd agree that Palpatine's overall dark side knowledge was likely superior to Momin's, but Momin mastered a particular area of 'dark side obscura' that not even Palpatine came close to unlocking in his lifetime(which, ironically enough, was the one thing he craved most): the ability to manipulate time/space.

If Palpatine would've cracked that part of the code(as Momin did), there would have been no stopping him.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I'd agree that Palpatine's overall dark side knowledge was likely superior to Momin's, but Momin mastered a particular area of 'dark side obscura' that not even Palpatine came close to unlocking in his lifetime(which, ironically enough, was the one thing he craved most): the ability to manipulate time/space.

If Palpatine would've cracked that part of the code(as Momin did), there would have been no stopping him.

He couldn't access TWBW (like Ezra) and couldn't build any time warping tech (like Momin).

Originally posted by Sheev
It is odd that even with all of Sidious's knowledge, he still never figured out how to manipulate time like Momin did.

He couldn't access TWBW (like Ezra) and couldn't build any time warping tech (like Momin).

In Palpatine's defense, he was able to brute force his way into influencing the World Between Worlds, as we saw in Rebels. It's not like Ezra entered TWBW through his own power. He just happened to find a place on Lothal that was already tied to it. Palpatine didn't have that, yet he was still able to directly influence TWBW with his Sith magic.

For Palpatine never building any time warping tech, I'd chalk that up to a difference in special interests. Palpatine's fascination lay in cloning, superweapons, and the manipulation of life itself. You could just as easily say he accomplished things that Momin never did, like draining the life energy of a dyad or creating a clone back up to sustain himself past physical death. Both Momin and Palpatine have absolutely insane displays of esoteric Sith knowledge in their respective fields. It just so happens that Momin's field of time manipulation seems more impressive to outsiders like us.

I'd sooner think the "how" behind achieving Momin-level time manipulation was simply beyond Palpatine's understanding, tbh.

If Palpatine had any sort of comprehension on how to achieve 'immortality' via temporal resurrection(as Momin did), he would have just dumped all of his time/effort into that, instead of wasting decades just to grow an inferior/crippled clone body, imo. Afterall, Palpatine's ultimate goal was to effectively become God:
"And [Palpatine] would not allow himself to be sidetracked from his goal of unlocking the secrets many of the Sith Masters before him had sought: the means to harness the powers of the dark side to reshape reality itself; in effect, to fashion a universe of his own creation. Not mere immortality of the sort Plagueis had lusted after, but influence of the ultimate sort."

So if he possessed knowledge on how to construct relics like Momin's Fermata Cage(which could theoretically be used like a mini-Infinity Gauntlet) and Fortress Vader(which could theoretically allow him to spam a new body whenever he wants), Palpatine could have achieved that goal without much of a fight... But instead, he had to exploit time-manipulating sources that already existed(like TWBW and Momin-tech.)

...Though that aspect of Sith knowledge/obscura also seemed specific to Momin, which likely stems from his unique viewpoint of the dark side in general: ie. where most Sith view the dark side as little more than a power source that is meant to be harnessed and controlled, Momin views it as an essential element of creation this is meant to be worshiped and served. Makes sense that the Force would reveal itself a little more 'esoterically' to him. /shrug