Originally posted by KingD19Iow you want her to use ooc spammy tactics while at the same time gimping Superman's speed. Lol, friend.
Slower people than her have hit him in the past. But she could also just spam enough swords into the air that he can't dodge all of them and still get to her like she did with the Valkyries.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
No one hit him a single time after his final speed upgrade during / after fighting the flash.
1. What makes you think he got a speed upgrade there instead of simply having a slow-motion scene?
2. Cyborg and Wonder Woman were able to land hits on Superman even after he was resurrected.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Iow you want her to use ooc spammy tactics while at the same time gimping Superman's speed. Lol, friend.
Hela has multiple on-screen feats of using so-called spammy tactics whereas DCEU Superman has instances of getting tagged by slower enemies in every single movie he's appeared in.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And what on screen feats from Hela did you base this theory of yours on?
A character has no special attributes unless there is evidence to support it.
If Hela is subject to a certain amount of damage then she dies or becomes koed. That's how Surtur beat her. For example, Hela would die if she was disintegrated, Decapitated, beat to a blood smear, etc.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Hela has multiple on-screen feats of using so-called spammy tactics whereas DCEU Superman has instances of getting tagged by slower enemies in every single movie he's appeared in.
1. Hela is not going to throw weapons to where Superman isn't. Therefore she is not going to spam the sky with weapons unless there are many opponents.
2. Let's assume she does 1. Then By the time she spams the area with weapons then a long ass amount of time would have passed in Superman's mind. That would mean he purposely sat there and waited hours for her to get her statued weapons in the air.
3. Assuming Superman allowed 2. for shits and giggles then all the weapons would still be frozen in the air in Superman's perspective. He could easily move around and grab each weapon out of the air and throw it back at her.
What you are not understanding is that astronomical speed is equivalent to stopping time,
Originally posted by h1a8
A character has no special attributes unless there is evidence to support it.If Hela is subject to a certain amount of damage then she dies or becomes koed. That's how Surtur beat her.
No it isn't. Stop acting like you watched the movie.
Surtur beat her by triggering Ragnarok and destroying all of Asgard, which was the source of her power. No Asgard, No Hela. If he hadn't completely obliterated the planet, she would have just gotten back up.
Also Superman doesn't stop time with how fast he is, as Flash is faster than him, and even to Flash things move. Like when Batman threw a Batarang and he saw it in slow motion. Or when he tipped Diana's sword back to her.
Originally posted by FrothByteAnd she also has feats of fighting as you'd call 'stupid fighting' earlier in the thread. So why do you guys cling on the few instances where she uses such tactics while trying to limit Superman to the showings that fit your narrative?
Hela has multiple on-screen feats of using so-called spammy tactics whereas DCEU Superman has instances of getting tagged by slower enemies in every single movie he's appeared in.
And Superman fought very differently in his last appearance, which btw is per the forum rules what we go by. 👆
Originally posted by h1a8
A character has no special attributes unless there is evidence to support it.If Hela is subject to a certain amount of damage then she dies or becomes koed. That's how Surtur beat her. For example, Hela would die if she was disintegrated, Decapitated, beat to a blood smear, etc.
h1, please watch the movie first before running your mouth like an idiot. Everyone who watched the movie knows that Surtur defeated Hela by destroying Asgard which is her power source, not just smashing her.
Hela also has various on-screen feats of instantaneous healing, a point which you have been dodging since I raised it.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
And she also has feats of fighting as you'd call 'stupid fighting' earlier in the thread. So why do you guys cling on the few instances where she uses such tactics while trying to limit Superman to the showings that fit your narrative?And Superman fought very differently in his last appearance, which btw is per the forum rules what we go by. 👆
In my earlier posts, I mentioned almost all characters have instances of "stupid fighting". The difference is that these other characters have feats of "smart fighting" that is usually enough to cancel out their stupid fighting feats. Superman has extremely few of these "smart fighting" feats.
In any case, yes, we're going by his last appearance. In which case he was still hit by Cyborg and Wonder Woman, neither of whom looked like they were using any sort of super speed when they hit Superman.
Your turn.
Originally posted by SquallX
So we are amping Hela by having her fight in her home turf, while gimping Superman’s speed by saying he won’t be using said speed to just snap her neck?
Where does it state that the fight is taking on Asgard? In any case, even outside Asgard, Hela was strong enough to crush Mjolnir in her grip. I'd like to see proof of Superman being able to easily snap the neck of someone that strong.
Originally posted by KingD19
No it isn't. Stop acting like you watched the movie.Surtur beat her by triggering Ragnarok and destroying all of Asgard, which was the source of her power. No Asgard, No Hela. If he hadn't completely obliterated the planet, she would have just gotten back up.
Also Superman doesn't stop time with how fast he is, as Flash is faster than him, and even to Flash things move. Like when Batman threw a Batarang and he saw it in slow motion. Or when he tipped Diana's sword back to her.
Speculation.
Always source of power doesn't mean you will die once you lose that source. Thor didn't die.
Flash can alter his perception. Did you see how fast he drew on the man's face? We didn't see him move. You think a Batarang moves somewhere in the vicinity of that? Either the Batarang was moving that fast (a good feat for Batman) or he just choose to allow his perception to be that fast at that time.
And if you want to nitpick then you would have to also argue that bullet DP sliced was slow as shit since we see the truck moving in the same scene.
It's called fiction inconsistency.
Originally posted by FrothByteBasically you are doubling down on the stance of sticking to certain feats from both sides? Lol, friend.
In my earlier posts, I mentioned almost all characters have instances of "stupid fighting". The difference is that these other characters have feats of "smart fighting" that is usually enough to cancel out their stupid fighting feats. Superman has extremely few of these "smart fighting" feats.In any case, yes, we're going by his last appearance. In which case he was still hit by Cyborg and Wonder Woman, neither of whom looked like they were using any sort of super speed when they hit Superman.
Your turn.
Wonder Woman is already >>>> the MCU in terms of speed though, so getting head-butted while not actively trying to beat her is not a low feat at all. 🙂
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Basically you are doubling down on the stance of sticking to certain feats from both sides? Lol, friend.Wonder Woman is already >>>> the MCU in terms of speed though, so getting head-butted while not actively trying to beat her is not a low feat at all. 🙂
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
And she also has feats of fighting as you'd call 'stupid fighting' earlier in the thread. So why do you guys cling on the few instances where she uses such tactics while trying to limit Superman to the showings that fit your narrative?And Superman fought very differently in his last appearance, which btw is per the forum rules what we go by. 👆
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He's done here