MCU Hela vs DCEU Superman

Originally posted by FrothByte
Where does it state that the fight is taking on Asgard? In any case, even outside Asgard, Hela was strong enough to crush Mjolnir in her grip. I'd like to see proof of Superman being able to easily snap the neck of someone that strong.

You are free to go👆

Originally posted by FrothByte
In my earlier posts, I mentioned almost all characters have instances of "stupid fighting". The difference is that these other characters have feats of "smart fighting" that is usually enough to cancel out their stupid fighting feats. Superman has extremely few of these "smart fighting" feats.

In any case, yes, we're going by his last appearance. In which case he was still hit by Cyborg and Wonder Woman, neither of whom looked like they were using any sort of super speed when they hit Superman.

Your turn.

Well at least we've moved on from 'no' smart fighting to 'few'.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Basically you are doubling down on the stance of sticking to certain feats from both sides? Lol, friend.

Wonder Woman is already >>>> the MCU in terms of speed though, so getting head-butted while not actively trying to beat her is not a low feat at all. 🙂

Probably why Wonder Woman keeps struggling and getting hit by non-speedsters right?

You also missed the part where Wonder Woman shield bashed Superman. And yeah, go ahead and ignore the fact the Cyborg landed a hit on Superman as well.

Anyway, I judge characters based on their most consistent feats unless they are specifically stated to have received an upgrade/downgrade in which case I use their upgraded/downgraded versions. What I do not do is pick a single highest showing that contradicts the rest of their showings.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
You are free to go👆

Feel free to reply to me with something resembling a decent argument.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The gap in speed between Superman and Hela is substantially larger than the gap in speed between a paraplegic four year old girl and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

You're clearly not very smart so let me reiterate: The gap between Superman and Hela is greater than the gap between any two human beings alive. Greater than the gap between just about any two living things ever.

Your comparisons don't work because the gap between the people you're comparing isn't even close to as wide. 👇

Originally posted by h1a8
A character has no special attributes unless there is evidence to support it.

If Hela is subject to a certain amount of damage then she dies or becomes koed. That's how Surtur beat her. For example, Hela would die if she was disintegrated, Decapitated, beat to a blood smear, etc.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Probably why Wonder Woman keeps struggling and getting hit by non-speedsters right?

You also missed the part where Wonder Woman shield bashed Superman. And yeah, go ahead and ignore the fact the Cyborg landed a hit on Superman as well.

Anyway, I judge characters based on their most consistent feats unless they are specifically stated to have received an upgrade/downgrade in which case I use their upgraded/downgraded versions. What I do not do is pick a single highest showing that contradicts the rest of their showings.

Because you want Hela to win she gets her best feats and Superman his 'lows' while also low-balling the people involved along the way. You just keep repeating that with barely different words, friend. Lol

Originally posted by FrothByte
Feel free to reply to me with something resembling a decent argument.

Did Stepenwold hit Superman? The answer is no, Did steppenwold hit Wonderwoman who is a bullet timer and dodger, the answer is yes.

Did Hela ever resemble any sort of bullet timing speeds. the answer is no

This is simple logic that you simply dont comprehend. So now you will come up with a bunch of lies and bullshit like Heru did.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I understand.

Because you want Hela to win she gets her best feats and Superman his 'lows' while also low-balling the people involved along the way. You just keep repeating that with barely different words, friend. Lol

He's been doing this for 10+, know what else he's been doing that long, we have had to put up with and endure his shitty avatar and signature of Ghost Rider which is the real crime here

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I understand.

Because you want Hela to win she gets her best feats and Superman his 'lows' while also low-balling the people involved along the way. You just keep repeating that with barely different words, friend. Lol

I never even said that Hela wins. Just pointing out that Superman is consistently getting hit by opponents who don't have superspeed and that Hela consistently spams her blades. That's neither highs nor lows for each character. It is simply their norm. You're just disguising them with words like "highs" and "lows" so you can discredit one and praise the other.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
He's been doing this for 10+, know what else he's been doing that long, we have had to put up with and endure his shitty avatar and signature of Ghost Rider which is the real crime here

Funny, I don't recall you having been around for 10+ years to have known me during that time. In fact, your account says you were only a member since 2018. So who's sock account are you of hmm?

Originally posted by KingD19
Slower people than her have hit him in the past. But she could also just spam enough swords into the air that he can't dodge all of them and still get to her like she did with the Valkyries.

This isn't a turn based RPG. Superman doesn't have to wait for Hela to spam her swords before he does anything.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
And she also has feats of fighting as you'd call 'stupid fighting' earlier in the thread. So why do you guys cling on the few instances where she uses such tactics while trying to limit Superman to the showings that fit your narrative?

And Superman fought very differently in his last appearance, which btw is per the forum rules what we go by. 👆

Originally posted by heru
Fanboy give it a rest please.

Too much of a dickless coward to go post to post with me? I don't blame you, you are a bit of a retard tbh. 👆

Superman is not beating Hela.

He'd beat her worse than a middle aged woman beats the man who molested her teenage daughter tbh.

She's been beating beings far more powerful then he is for countless centuries.

You can name exactly one character she fought in the "countless centuries" of her existence before Thor: Ragnarok. It was Odin, and Odin beat her. 🙂

Superman will struggle with Thor in a fight. How is he beating Hela?

You're really begging the question here. You have yet to prove Hela beats Superman, now you assert she can because Superman would struggle with Thor, another assertion you have yet to prove? 👇

She doesn't have to be as fast as him to win.

If she were immune to his damage or was anything other than a brick who can make swords then that would be true.

But she's not, so her being much slower is an insurmountable advantage. 🙂

She's a better fighter, have more experience,

How does this help her hit something that moves faster than the synapses firing in her brain forming thoughts, and can perceive every action she makes in extremely slow motion?

and better powers to get the job done. All he is strength and speed, nothing more.

Let's count their offensive powerset shall we!

Hela has:

Super strength
The ability to create swords of varying sizes

Superman has:

Super strength
Super speed
Heat vision
Freeze breath
Flight

Yet you think Hela has the better powers? Lol!

He's been out smarted by Lex countless times, a being who is a paralegic turtle interms of speed compare to him.... Lol

Please show me the scene where DCEU Lex Luthor beats Superman in a fight. 🙂

I'm dying to see it.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Did Stepenwold hit Superman? The answer is no, Did steppenwold hit Wonderwoman who is a bullet timer and dodger, the answer is yes.

Did Hela ever resemble any sort of bullet timing speeds. the answer is no

This is simple logic that you simply dont comprehend. So now you will come up with a bunch of lies and bullshit like Heru did.

Hey froth ya missed

[rhetorical]How did this get to six pages when Hela obviously wins?[/rhetorical]

Originally posted by FrothByte
I never even said that Hela wins. Just pointing out that Superman is consistently getting hit by opponents who don't have superspeed and that Hela consistently spams her blades. That's neither highs nor lows for each character. It is simply their norm. You're just disguising them with words like "highs" and "lows" so you can discredit one and praise the other.

Hela never displayed the super duper mega strength she did when she crushed Mjolnir. Should I go ahead and claim Hela has to activate her strength before using it?

And yet still, it's the one feat you cling on to when cornered. Lol, friend.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The guy you're talking to is a retard who thinks that Diana has to consciously turn on and then off her super speed and that she doesn't use any when she fights, he's usually not worth responding to.

Originally posted by FrothByte
h1, please watch the movie first before running your mouth like an idiot. Everyone who watched the movie knows that Surtur defeated Hela by destroying Asgard which is her power source, not just smashing her.

Hela also has various on-screen feats of instantaneous healing, a point which you have been dodging since I raised it.

Something at occurs fast to us humans doesn't mean it is instantaneous. A second to us is instantaneous. A bullet is instantaneous to us. I can go on. But those things are nearly frozen time for Superman. So no, she doesn't heal instantaneously.

Originally posted by KingD19
Thor wasn't powered by Asgard. Hela is literally stated to have Asgard as the source of her power, and the longer she's there, the more powerful she becomes. She's the only one with that distinction. Another nod you didn't watch Ragnarok.

But that doesn't defeat the other points. Source of power has nothing to do with someone's life force. If Hela was on another planet while Asgard was being destroyed then she would have continued to live.

But all of this is moot anyway. If the damage done reaches a certain amount then Hela dies or becomes koed. Otherwise you have to prove that Hela can heal from total disintegration or being decapitated.

Originally posted by riv6672
[rhetorical]How did this get to six pages when Hela obviously wins?[/rhetorical]

What are helas powers dipshit?

Spamming knives, and strength?

What are supermans powers

Flight
Heat Vision
Freeze Breath
Planatary Strength
Moves as fast as flash on the ground
Can fly millions of miles per hour (low end speeds)

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I'll go the extra mile and use your logic to exemplify how stupid it is.

Hela never displayed the super duper mega strength she did when she crushed Mjolnir. Should I go ahead and claim Hela has to activate her strength before using it?

And yet still, it's the one feat you cling on to when cornered. Lol, friend.

Lol. Yeah, that stance has always been very... Baffling to me.

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Froth is frothing at the mouth it seems, he cant wait for a Superman battle so he can randomly lowball superman, exaggerate feats of the other character, then generally lie casually about everything.