MCU Hela vs DCEU Superman

Started by BrolyBlack12 pages
Originally posted by FrothByte
I never even said that Hela wins. Just pointing out that Superman is consistently getting hit by opponents who don't have superspeed and that Hela consistently spams her blades. That's neither highs nor lows for each character. It is simply their norm. You're just disguising them with words like "highs" and "lows" so you can discredit one and praise the other.

Yes clearly you are saying Superman wins here by arguing against Superman😂

"You're just disguising them with words like "highs" and "lows" so you can discredit one and praise the other."

This sounds like the exact thing you do! Im glad you finally realized you are a hypocrite!

Originally posted by FrothByte
Funny, I don't recall you having been around for 10+ years to have known me during that time. In fact, your account says you were only a member since 2018. So who's sock account are you of hmm?

Feel free to reply to me with something resembling a decent argument.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
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Froth is frothing at the mouth it seems, he cant wait for a Superman battle so he can randomly lowball superman, exaggerate feats of the other character, then generally lie casually about everything.

Yeah, his train of thought is suspicious to say the least.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
He's been doing this for 10+, know what else he's been doing that long, we have had to put up with and endure his shitty avatar and signature of Ghost Rider which is the real crime here

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Originally posted by BrolyBlack
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Froth is frothing at the mouth it seems, he cant wait for a Superman battle so he can randomly lowball superman, exaggerate feats of the other character, then generally lie casually about everything.

You know, I have not said a single mean word to you in this entire thread yet you're going after me like I killed your dog or something.

I can understand getting into a heated discussion with someone but you're not even trying to have a debate with me, just going for flat out insults.

Considering I almost never get into a debate with you, one wonders where exactly all this rancor is coming from.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You know, I have not said a single mean word to you in this entire thread yet you're going after me like I killed your dog or something.

I can understand getting into a heated discussion with someone but you're not even trying to have a debate with me, just going for flat out insults.

Considering I almost never get into a debate with you, one wonders where exactly all this rancor is coming from.

I didn’t insult you a single time.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I'll go the extra mile and use your logic to exemplify how stupid it is.

Hela never displayed the super duper mega strength she did when she crushed Mjolnir. Should I go ahead and claim Hela has to activate her strength before using it?

And yet still, it's the one feat you cling on to when cornered. Lol, friend.

Lol. Yeah, that stance has always been very... Baffling to me.

For what it's worth, I was never comfortable with the idea that Hela crushing Mjolnir was a pure strength feat. But it was Battlezoned here and the consensus was that it was indeed and strength feat and so that's what I'm going with.

The main difference though in this case is nothing Hela did contradicts that strength feat. She may not have shown any other strength feat to match that but neither did she do anything to contradict it. She still overpowered Thor multiple times and was never overpowered by any character in the movie.

In comparison, there are multiple feats from Superman getting hit by non-speedsters which completely contradict the idea that he is completely unhittable by non-speedsters. There's also the fact that he has ZERO feats where he speed blitzed any character with super strength and snapped their in a single attack.

So the difference is: I'm claiming Hela will do something that she was regularly shown to do (spamming blades) whereas you're claiming that Superman will do something that he has only ever done once (completely avoid getting hit by a non-speedster) or never (snapping the neck of a superpowered character by blitzing them).

And for what it's worth, I never claimed that Diana turns her superspeed off and on. I have a different explanation for it but I'll only bother trying to explain if you're sincerely curious about it. From the sound of it, nothing I say will convince you anyway.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You know, I have not said a single mean word to you in this entire thread yet you're going after me like I killed your dog or something.

I can understand getting into a heated discussion with someone but you're not even trying to have a debate with me, just going for flat out insults.

Considering I almost never get into a debate with you, one wonders where exactly all this rancor is coming from.

In Froth language: “WHAAAAAAAAAHHH”

Helas powers are what exactly?

Anyone know?? No one wants to mention them because if they type them out versus Superman’s they concede their own talking points

Originally posted by FrothByte
For what it's worth, I was never comfortable with the idea that Hela crushing Mjolnir was a pure strength feat. But it was Battlezoned here and the consensus was that it was indeed and strength feat and so that's what I'm going with.

The main difference though in this case is nothing Hela did contradicts that strength feat. She may not have shown any other strength feat to match that but neither did she do anything to contradict it. She still overpowered Thor multiple times and was never overpowered by any character in the movie.

In comparison, there are multiple feats from Superman getting hit by non-speedsters which completely contradict the idea that he is completely unhittable by non-speedsters. There's also the fact that he has ZERO feats where he speed blitzed any character with super strength and snapped their in a single attack.

So the difference is: I'm claiming Hela will do something that she was regularly shown to do (spamming blades) whereas you're claiming that Superman will do something that he has only ever done once (completely avoid getting hit by a non-speedster) or never (snapping the neck of a superpowered character by blitzing them).

And for what it's worth, I never claimed that Diana turns her superspeed off and on. I have a different explanation for it but I'll only bother trying to explain if you're sincerely curious about it. From the sound of it, nothing I say will convince you anyway.

Let’s see here. Spamming blades??? That’s what’s going to kill Superman? I know you can’t be serious. So let’s ignore that. And even if he gets hit by one and it somehow hurts him he will learn pretty quick to avoid those.

Superman has fought speedsters. And old gods and new, the justice league, Doomsday, and 3 powerful kryptonians.

Hela has fought who exactly? A bunch of Asgardian fodder and A hammer less Thor with one eye? And still Thor couldn’t stop her.

Please.

Steppenwolf was such a menace, the DC gods such as Zeus and other Olympian’s, green lanterns, Amazon’s, and The entire kingdom of Atlantis to make him retreat for battle.

Then he basically refused to show his face on earth until there was no kryptonians on earth because he knew that a kryptonian was the only thing that could stop him.

If you can’t see the massive difference in power here and all you can say is “well she can blade spam and give evil looks” and that’s somehow on par with someone who can fly millions of miles per hour, as fast as flash on foot, heat vision, freeze breath and extreme strength and endurance than your either ignorant to or just his and trolling.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You know, I have not said a single mean word to you in this entire thread yet you're going after me like I killed your dog or something.

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Why point out Hela beating fodder Asgardians and then fail to mention the people SW beat in the past were also fodder?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why point out Hela beating fodder Asgardians and then fail to mention the people SW beat in the past were also fodder?

Zeus is fodder?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Zeus is fodder?

I've not seen any feats from DCEU Zeus that would place him above fodder, but I'm willing to change my mind.

Creating mankind
Creating the amazons
Creating Wonder Woman
Creating Thermasica
King of the Olympian’s
His thunderbolt that wounded Ares for thousands of years
Putting steppenwolf on his ass with lightning

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Creating mankind
Creating the amazons
Creating Wonder Woman
Creating Thermasica

Where is he shown doing any of that onscreen?

Edit😛lus, how are those combat feats?

King of the Olympian's

Not a feat

His thunderbolt that wounded Ares for thousands of years
Putting steppenwolf on his ass with lightning

Why is that impressive?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where is he shown doing any of that onscreen?

Not a feat

Why is that impressive?

Yes it was shown on screen he created man.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Yes it was shown on screen he created man.

I don't remember that, show the clip.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Let’s see here. Spamming blades??? That’s what’s going to kill Superman? I know you can’t be serious. So let’s ignore that. And even if he gets hit by one and it somehow hurts him he will learn pretty quick to avoid those.

Superman has fought speedsters. And old gods and new, the justice league, Doomsday, and 3 powerful kryptonians.

Hela has fought who exactly? A bunch of Asgardian fodder and A hammer less Thor with one eye? And still Thor couldn’t stop her.

Please.

Steppenwolf was such a menace, the DC gods such as Zeus and other Olympian’s, green lanterns, Amazon’s, and The entire kingdom of Atlantis to make him retreat for battle.

Then he basically refused to show his face on earth until there was no kryptonians on earth because he knew that a kryptonian was the only thing that could stop him.

If you can’t see the massive difference in power here and all you can say is “well she can blade spam and give evil looks” and that’s somehow on par with someone who can fly millions of miles per hour, as fast as flash on foot, heat vision, freeze breath and extreme strength and endurance than your either ignorant to or just his and trolling.

So show me a feat of Superman tanking bladed attacks from beings with super strength.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I don't remember that, show the clip.

Watch the opening of Wonder Woman. I’m 100% spot on and wouldn’t lie about something like this