MCU Hela vs DCEU Superman

Started by BrolyBlack12 pages
Originally posted by FrothByte
So show me a feat of Superman tanking bladed attacks from beings with super strength.

He took a nuke to the face. And Doomsday wouldn’t have pierced him had he not been weakened by holding the knite spear.

He also took no visible damage, meaning cuts, or bruises cept when weakened from Knight and nuked.

No damage from the world engine while weakened. Also no damage from DD even weakened from knite gas.

The only time he took damage was from the nuke and from DD spear while holding knite which was also post nuke and post has attacks.

Watch the opening of Wonder Woman. I’m 100% spot on and wouldn’t lie about something like this

IIRC, That wasn't even a flashback, it was just a story being retold.

It showed him holding his hand over earth (and a ray of light coming down iirc) and humans being created/formed.

IIRC, That wasn't even a flashback, it was just a story being retold.

It was animated and shown on screen as happening. So it has to be accepted as canon and a valid screen feat.

It’s common knowledge Zeus created mankind in Greek mythology which this stems from

Originally posted by Silent Master
I've not seen any feats from DCEU Zeus that would place him above fodder, but I'm willing to change my mind.
He blasted apart the Motherboxes with a single lightning bolt (2:24 I think):

YouTube video

Recall the difficulty Superman had in attaining the same feat.

With that said, this feat is a big outlier, considering how Ares apparently killed Zeus and how easily Diana beat Ares after she awakened her full power. We saw how well her full power stacked up to Superman in Justice League.

It was animated, in other words the feat wasn't actually shown as it happened. it was just a re-creation based on the story being told. A story being told by the Amazons who are not exactly trustworthy in the dceu.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It was animated, in other words the feat wasn't actually shown as it happened. it was just a re-creation based on the story being told. A story being told by the Amazons who are not exactly trustworthy in the dceu.
Whatever excuses you have to make to feel better about yourself buddy. 👆

If you consider the truth an excuse, you need help.

Edit: besides, that is hardly a combat feat. So, even if we gave him full credit for it. He'd still be fodder as far as combat goes

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you consider the truth an excuse, you need help.

Edit: besides, that is hardly a combat feat. So, even if we gave him full credit for it. He'd still be fodder as far as combat goes

What’s up, H1?

Originally posted by FrothByte
For what it's worth, I was never comfortable with the idea that Hela crushing Mjolnir was a pure strength feat. But it was Battlezoned here and the consensus was that it was indeed and strength feat and so that's what I'm going with.

The main difference though in this case is nothing Hela did contradicts that strength feat. She may not have shown any other strength feat to match that but neither did she do anything to contradict it. She still overpowered Thor multiple times and was never overpowered by any character in the movie.

In comparison, there are multiple feats from Superman getting hit by non-speedsters which completely contradict the idea that he is completely unhittable by non-speedsters. There's also the fact that he has ZERO feats where he speed blitzed any character with super strength and snapped their in a single attack.

So the difference is: I'm claiming Hela will do something that she was regularly shown to do (spamming blades) whereas you're claiming that Superman will do something that he has only ever done once (completely avoid getting hit by a non-speedster) or never (snapping the neck of a superpowered character by blitzing them).

And for what it's worth, I never claimed that Diana turns her superspeed off and on. I have a different explanation for it but I'll only bother trying to explain if you're sincerely curious about it. From the sound of it, nothing I say will convince you anyway.

Considering the strength needed to catch a thrown Mjolnir and crush it with a single hand, why didn't she just fly up to the revengers and crushed them with her bare hands?

Going by your logic, Hela avoiding to do that for the entire movie directly contradicts the Mjolnir feat. Do you realize how convenient would that be for me if I wanted to go down your route? 😬

Instead, I simply stick with the Full Capacity rule used in this forum. Under which Superman simply won't be touched by Hela if he doesn't want to and you could add the revengers and they still would get raped before they even realize they're reaching climax.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you consider the truth an excuse, you need help.

Edit: besides, that is hardly a combat feat. So, even if we gave him full credit for it. He'd still be fodder as far as combat goes

You're going through a lot of trouble to discredit a feat I already discredited with far less mental gymnastics in the post I presented it in. 👆

It's not a combat feat, why would I need to discredit it?

Crushing Mjolnir is not a combat feat.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
He took a nuke to the face. And Doomsday wouldn’t have pierced him had he not been weakened by holding the knite spear.

He also took no visible damage, meaning cuts, or bruises cept when weakened from Knight and nuked.

No damage from the world engine while weakened. Also no damage from DD even weakened from knite gas.

The only time he took damage was from the nuke and from DD spear while holding knite which was also post nuke and post has attacks.

And Thor took on the force of a neutron star for a few minutes yet Hela's blades had no trouble penetrating him. Again I ask: what feats does Superman have to prove he can tank bladed attacks from superpowered opponents?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Considering the strength needed to catch a thrown Mjolnir and crush it with a single hand, why didn't she just fly up to the revengers and crushed them with her bare hands?

Going by your logic, Hela avoiding to do that for the entire movie directly contradicts the Mjolnir feat. Do you realize how convenient would that be for me if I wanted to go down your route? 😬

Instead, I simply stick with the Full Capacity rule used in this forum. Under which Superman simply won't be touched by Hela if he doesn't want to and you could add the revengers and they still would get raped before they even realize they're reaching climax.

Because the Revengers are living combatants capable of fighting back, using tactics, dodging and defending and changing directions. Plus all of them are each extremely strong in their own right.

In the end, the most you can say about Hela is that her feats didn't show her full capacity but it didn't contradict her strength level. Superman's feats contradicted his, and you're actively asking him to fight in a manner he has never portrayed before.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And Thor took on the force of a neutron star for a few minutes yet Hela's blades had no trouble penetrating him. Again I ask: what feats does Superman have to prove he can tank bladed attacks from superpowered opponents?

Faulty logic. Being resistant to heat has nothing to do with being cut.
Stop using force, it was primarily heat with a small pushing force.

Originally posted by h1a8
Faulty logic. Being resistant to heat has nothing to do with being cut.
Stop using force, it was primarily heat with a small pushing force.

Which is why I'm asking for specific feats of Superman taking on bladed weapons instead of the usual "he took a nuke" defense.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Which is why I'm asking for specific feats of Superman taking on bladed weapons instead of the usual "he took a nuke" defense.

That's irrelevant as he won't get hit by a bladed weapon. But I agree that a nuke feat doesn't give cut resistance.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Crushing Mjolnir is not a combat feat.

It’s a strength feat, and it wasn’t presented in cartoon form, which must be throwing ppl off.