Originally posted by quanchi112
He was amped though by the dyad but Rey showed she could beat him. Granted she probably does not have the raw power output but her power equaled out the Sith in the Jedi ending them both. Him first then her.
I wasnt aware that he had powerups. Not saying you're wrong, tbh when he was blowing up the resistance fleet with force lighting I was cringing hard and trying to find my happy place, so I might have missed some details. I probably will never do a rewatch so I'll take your word for it unless someone proves otherwise
Originally posted by Bashar TegThe dyad gave him power healing him and what not. It was not terrible it was a force storm so it was not blowing the ships up just disrupting the systems caught in the radius. We see Rey can parry the force lightning with one lightsaber.
I wasnt aware that he had powerups. Not saying you're wrong, tbh when he was blowing up the resistance fleet with force lighting I was cringing hard and trying to find my happy place, so I might have missed some details. I probably will never do a rewatch so I'll take your word for it unless someone proves otherwise
Rey did blow up a ship with her fl though I do believe sidious could do the same in that situation.
Originally posted by The Merchant
How is Kylo number 1 when he wanted Rey to help him take on the zombie version of Palps who was whomping them even before he absorbed the Dyad lmfao
Not that the movie leaves any doubt, but the canon ROS novel also makes it pretty clear on its own that undead Sheev is still > Reylo individually and combined:
Later on:
Originally posted by Psychotron
Rey was amped the same way Sidious was. And Sidious tossed Kylo down that hole like the sack of garbage he was, while Rey beat Sidious. Rey with the Jedi spirits > Sidious > Kylo is not in question.
Eh, not quite.
The jury's still out on whatever power up Sheev received from prior Sith, since a foundational element of Disney Wars canon is that when Sith physically die, they cease to exist spiritually.
Rey, on the other hand, did indeed literally receive a power up from Jedi past, which I think is made pretty clear in the movie when she hears a chorus of dead Jedi talking to her and goes from being curbstomped by a weakened Sheev in the clip above to standing toe-to-toe against the Sheev that's zapping thousands of starships out of the sky.
But if further corroboration is necessary, the canon ROS novel confirms her power-up at various points:
Then:
And again:
And once more:
Edit: Forgot to add, Psychotron: note that the text above confirms what we see in the movie.
Rey doesn't actually ever overpower the Emperor. She's protected from the lightning by "an impenetrable shield" of crossguarded lightsabers while the Emperor is physically exposed to the random arcs and feedback.
All she has to do is close the gap between them and the lightning is now close enough to start hitting him in the face while hers is protected by the lightsabers.
Originally posted by DominisNo, but citing hyperbole in book form is a tactic of the sheevites when the intention of the posters is clearly biased. It is fine but let us not pretend they are being objective especially when we visibly see him steal force power from the dyad. The reasoning is selective all designed to portray Palpatine in a favorable light.
Sidious number one
Yes, just as they always say it is your fight. They were there to support her emotionally and inspirational young not some unnatural power augment perverting what the Jedi represent.
Originally posted by DominisBen does not employ the same mentality, methods or use of power as Ren. Also, Ben was not defeated he was thrown down but he was weaponless at that point. Rey showed one saber was enough to parry him two was more than enough to defeat him.
Ben ran up and got dropped by a crippled Palpatine.
Originally posted by Dominis
Ben ran up and got dropped by a crippled Palpatine.
Ya, the book flatly says Rey and Ben were both helpless against the Emperor's power.
Also interestingly, when Kylo first confronts the Emperor in the book, he notes that the Emperor is more powerful than anybody he's ever sensed:
She does resist him due to her innate strength and the inspiration from the other Jedi. It does not state more powerful than any other being he had encountered. Plus if we post the definition it is not clear cut but the bias kind of is with all due respect.
the ability to do something or act in a particular way, especially as a faculty or quality.
2.
the capacity or ability to direct or influence others or the course of events.
Originally posted by DominisNo, but force holding someone when you are less powerful is not a win. It a momentary setback. We see him fully amped lose to Rey after she is inspired. Keep in mind he initially wanted her to take his place.
I guess the logic in this thread is that a crippled Sheev is more powerful than a fully restored one.Lmao wow!
Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
Going purely by the movies...1. Darth Sidious, The Rise of Skywalker
2. Yoda, Revenge of the Sith
3. Mace Windu, Revenge of the Sith
4. Anakin Skywalker, Revenge of the Sith
5. Luke Skywalker, The Last Jedi
I typically don't engage in numerical ranking, but the Emperor is by far the most powerful Force user in canon outside (perhaps) the Mortis Anchorites, based on feats and accolades alike.
That said, I'd say it's pretty clear that Rey comes in second. With past Jedi bolstering her power and armed with two lightsabers, she was able to stand toe-to-toe against the Emperor.
I can't give her the nod over him because the novel makes clear what we see in the movie: her lightsabers protected her from the lightning arcs. All she did was close the gap between her and Sheev; the stray arcs of the lightning were then close enough to seriously injure him.
Specifically, note the :40 second mark. She's moved closer, and one of the random arcs hits him in the face. Then by :44 he's dropped his hands, no longer casting the lightning.
So with his lightning no longer keeping her at bay, she fires his own energies back in his face with fatal effect, just like the novel describes.
Still, despite these advantages: a literal powerup from all the Jedi who came before as well as two lightsabers, the effort still kills her.
Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
Oh yeah if we include temporary amps, I think Rey would make a fairly close second to Sidious. I suppose if we were to use Canon more broadly then Anakin while he is ragdolling the Son and Daughter on Mortis would move up the list dramatically.
True about Mortakin, but I'm just considering film iterations of the characters per the OP.
Interesting observation about Rey. It may very well have been a temporary power up. Perhaps not, though. However, if she ever became a living conduit for all the dead Jedi again as she did on Exegol, perhaps the act would kill her again?
Based on these excerpts, I think the novel corroborates what we see pretty clearly in the film: standing against the Emperor, who is so much more powerful than her or anyone else she's ever encountered, "took everything the Jedi had given her."
That's insane. So it wasn't simply having all that dead Jedi power in her that killed her; it was burning through it all to stop the Emperor.